02-05-2018, 11:10 PM
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It's all about Diesel
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In Europe the most like for like Hyundai is the i10.
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I have already seen those (1st generation) in Uruguay.
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02-07-2018, 04:32 AM
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I remember that. Still gives me a chuckle that the petrol-sniffing enthusiasts at Jalopnik get it better than many supposedly objective mainstream reviewers.
And yes, by jove, the Mirage is nowhere near dangerously slow. Not compared to old eco-cars that took half-a-minute to hit the big six-oh.
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Even the older i10s and Kia Picantos, with their lighter bodies, are not quite as efficient as the 1.2 Mirage, even considering the displacement difference.
The newer i10 and Grand i10 models are quite heavy. It's really no comparison.
But that said, the Hyundai is much, much more refined.
Then again, you don't buy an eco-car for refinement!
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02-07-2018, 08:54 AM
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I remember that. Still gives me a chuckle that the petrol-sniffing enthusiasts at Jalopnik get it better than many supposedly objective mainstream reviewers.
And yes, by jove, the Mirage is nowhere near dangerously slow. Not compared to old eco-cars that took half-a-minute to hit the big six-oh.
Even the older i10s and Kia Picantos, with their lighter bodies, are not quite as efficient as the 1.2 Mirage, even considering the displacement difference.
The newer i10 and Grand i10 models are quite heavy. It's really no comparison.
But that said, the Hyundai is much, much more refined.
Then again, you don't buy an eco-car for refinement!
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Real world fuel economy numbers for the 2007 to 2012 Hyundai i10.
1.0 lit 3 cyl engine plus 1.1 lit 4 cyl engine - 6.38 lit/100 km
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...73&powerunit=2
1.2 l 4 cyl engine - 6.36 lit/100 km
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...90&powerunit=2
It was not possible to separate out the 1.0 and 1.1 engines as they give the same power. However, looking at the raw data there does not appear to be much difference between them fuel economy wise.
The 1.2/1.25 engine has slightly better real world fuel economy compared to the 1.0/1.1.
Its 6.36 l/100km compared with 5.11 l/100km for the 1.2 Mitsubishi Mirage.
Some 24 % more thirsty!!
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overv...=1&powerunit=2 |
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02-07-2018, 12:47 PM
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Basically, had a Mirage been set to operate with ethanol, it would still be more fuel-efficient than a Hyundai i10 or HB20...
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02-07-2018, 09:37 PM
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Quite likely!
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Yeah, I do like the 1.2 better. It sounds better, too.
Part of it may be down to the transmissions, but I once hypermiled the hell out of a manual 1.0 Picanto, only to get the same economy I get out of the Mirage driving normally. |
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02-07-2018, 09:58 PM
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Niky... have you had the chance to try a 1.0 L Mirage?
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02-08-2018, 02:42 PM
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A couple weeks back I made my own rear anti-sway bar for the Mirage. So far it is working amazingly well. It completely transforms how the car handles. Previously, there was tons of body roll in corners, and taking them fast did not inspire confidence. This is a big complaint with the car by reviewers and owners alike. With the bar installed, it reduces body roll massively. It feels well planted in the corners. No handling machine / Miata mind you, but a huge difference from stock.
Here are some pics:
Here are the end pieces I made up.
Getting ready to install them on the spring perches.
All mounted up. SOME adjustment required with the huge slot.  The dang thing just wouldn't square up.
Tacked together.
Looks good to me. Not the prettiest, but its a prototype.
The next step was to remove it and finish weld.
I then prepped, primed, and painted the bar. Here are a few shots of it reinstalled. I did remedy the hardware length issue, though it did stay perfectly tight for about half a week until I got a warm enough day to swap out the bolts.
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02-08-2018, 08:15 PM
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Quite pretty in the end. hat made you decide to fabricate one? Cheaper? None available for this car? Odd parts laying around?
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02-09-2018, 10:00 AM
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There is an Ultra Racing brand rear sway bar for the car. However, the cost is quite a bit higher than I'd like at $225. I also wanted to try it out and learn something new. I read books, read online and figured out some of the science behind making them.
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02-09-2018, 10:42 AM
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I own an I10. Won it in a lottery 
It is my wife's DD; it only does local trips, so its FE is abominable.
Also, it kinda invites a heavy foot, and my wife responds well to the call 
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For confirmation go to people just like you.
For education go to people unlike yourself.
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