Acetone...is there a conspiracy?

[orange4boy]

I don't necessarily support these things...I just don't live in a cardboard box and peek out now and then...afraid of what I might find....which is the attitude of many on the forum.

Ok, now you are fully in troll territory. Making derogatory comments about other posters who disagree with you.

I live in a polystyrene box! Shseesh! The nerve of some people.

p.s. It's "enrich" and "enriched". Should make you sound more encredible.

[Christ]

Originally Posted by orange4boy

Ok, now you are fully in troll territory. Making derogatory comments about other posters who disagree with you.

I live in a polystyrene box! Shseesh! The nerve of some people.

p.s. It's "enrich" and "enriched". Should make you sound more uncredible.

Thereifixedit.

[Lazarus]

[Christ]

I almost see nothing wrong w/ the glass house.

That is, as long as my neighbors don't mind seeing my nudity. I'm not shy... especially in my own home.

[gone-ot]

Originally Posted by Christ

I almost see nothing wrong w/ the glass house.

...where's all the nubile drunken starlets?

[suspectnumber961]

My final answer....

conspiracy side:

* LaPointe mentions being warned by people in the petro industry not to push acetone...my guess is his graph topping at 3 oz per 10 gallons was a compromise...I'd have to guess he was actually using more.

* acetone has a history of use in racing

* India (?) bans use of acetone in motorcycles

* What he has posted online SEEMS cohesive and legit

* acetone is easy to make and occurs naturally to some extent

* IF...what this guy claims is true...it would put the lie to a 3 trillion $ set of wars...due to the probability that a stationary type engine could be set up to run very efficiently and at a regulated speed in a hybrid....not to mention typical automotive use. Too many people with too much to lose and big egg on their faces?

scam side:

* state and fed cops will be (are?) all over this guy...and probably will just assume it's a scam...they don't all drive big Fords with blacked out windows

* he has had his website hacked...as happens often at mpgresearch.com...sponsored hackers?

* I haven't verified an mpg gain with acetone myself.

* If it were legit...other people would know about it?

* guy is running around with 90 mpg plastered on the side of his car...local yokel problems?

Either way he is looking at big problems? He does offer or has offered info for $ as to how to set this up on a car...but the few $ this might bring in couldn't be worth the hassle it brings?

note: I'm not just dishing dirt on this guy..never met him and haven't emailed him...I'm just curious as to what it's all about. At this point I am leaning somewhat towards it being legit. But there are many people who wouldn't want the truth of it to come out though....so there will be much pressure to make it all disappear...and to smear it.

If it is legit...I wouldn't want to be this guy.

If it isn't legit...I wouldn't want to be this guy.

note: one reason I still think acetone "works" is that LaPointe said it did...and he tested out on the highway using no driving techniques...and using tank refills along with a scangauge to confirm...or vice versa. LaPointe eventually went with an additive injector instead of adding acetone and other additives to the gas...plus a fuel heater and EFIE. Hard to say how much he was using.

[suspectnumber961]

Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian

I've looked outside the box. You can more than double your mileage, without using any acetone.

That UPSLOPE on your moving average in your fuel log is just disgusting.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by suspectnumber961

My final answer....
If it is legit...I wouldn't want to be this guy.

If it isn't legit...I wouldn't want to be this guy.

So how much of a fuel economy increase did it provide in your car?

Did what he say would happen happen?

And if you actually want to test something, powder 12oz of pure napathlene in a safe well ventilated area with a mask, making sure face and cloths cannot get contaminated.

Add to 4 gallons of gas and blend.

Burn this mixture in an OBDII power car AKA 96+

Report back what happens.

Unlike other crappy additives this one works but is a HUGE pain in the arse and dangerous to your health.

[gone-ot]

...there's a VAST difference between "making HP" and "making MPG."

...acetone has been used as an 'octane-booster' in drag racing since the beginning; but, not as a fuel-economy-booster.

[Christ]

Just to point out that acetone in racing has nothing to do with engine efficiency -

N-heptane is also used in racing, along side PURE Xylene (which has a very high octane rating, ~118, IIRC).

Why use something which has 0 Octane? Because there were rules in F1 that kept the maximum octane at a certain level, and a tank full of Xylene was too much, so you add N-Heptane, which is basically inert, and it brings you under the average octane rating for the rules.

They don't do this anymore, that I know of, but they also don't use acetone on a wide scale, unless they need the extra octane on a really hot day, etc... it's not for efficiency at all, rather for keeping the engines from blowing up.