Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-24-2014, 07:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Germany
Posts: 23
Thanks: 7
Thanked 49 Times in 13 Posts
Aerodynamic Bumper

Hello,

first I like to introduce myself.
I am Ulrich Steinlechner from Germany and I developed a aerodynamic bumper to save fuel.



I testet a prototype at a w168 Daimler A-Class, because the shape of the car is typical for electric cars or other small cars. So a used car was also cheap enough for the experiment.
During the development, I made a lot of changes.
The result of measurements were different.
Fuel consumption during cruising speed were 9% to 17% less, but measurement in the windtunnel were 8% to 9% less drag.



Frum you, I like to get feedback about the difference of fuel consumption and aerodynamic drag.

What do you think about the design and wich car model should be the first for a serial produced bumper.

Kind regards,
Ulrich Steinlechner.

  Reply With Quote
The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to u.steinlechner For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-25-2014), BamZipPow (09-24-2014), Cd (09-25-2014), Ecky (09-25-2014), fabrio. (02-18-2016), Fat Charlie (09-24-2014), Joris (09-24-2014), mcrews (09-24-2014), NeilBlanchard (09-27-2014), oldtamiyaphile (09-24-2014), RedDevil (09-24-2014), user removed (09-24-2014), WD40 (09-24-2014)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 09-24-2014, 08:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,927
Thanks: 877
Thanked 2,024 Times in 1,304 Posts
Welcome to ecomodder Ulrich.

I think your design looks very nice. I'm not sure which model I would think of producing it for. The one that came to my mind first would be the Honda Fit (US designation), but if your goal is the highest market concentration then it may depend on the concentration in Germany.

regards
mech
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2014, 09:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 4,150

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,784
Thanked 1,922 Times in 1,246 Posts
Beautiful work- both the execution and the data.

I'll second Old Mechanic's suggestion of picking the US Fit for production. Second gen.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2014, 10:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Sven7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Warren, MI
Posts: 2,456

Boo Radley - '65 Ford F100
90 day: 13.28 mpg (US)
Thanks: 782
Thanked 669 Times in 411 Posts
I would argue that 92-00 Honda Civics or 89-01 Geo Metros would probably be better bets because they are very popular cars for hypermiling. But if you do it for an older car, some potential buyers may prefer a more conservative (stock-looking) design. Anyway, congrats on the project; it looks like you do some good work!
__________________
He gave me a dollar. A blood-soaked dollar.
I cannot get the spot out but it's okay; It still works in the store
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2014, 10:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
Master Novice
 
elhigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SE USA - East Tennessee
Posts: 2,314

Josie - '87 Toyota Pickup
90 day: 29.5 mpg (US)

Felicia - '09 Toyota Prius Base
90 day: 49.47 mpg (US)
Thanks: 427
Thanked 616 Times in 450 Posts
I'll second what Old Mech said: it looks very nice.

Well, let me qualify that statement. Aesthetically it looks like a spitting duck. But for a 10% improvement at 75mph, expectorating waterfowl are okay with me! Function is beauty.
__________________




Lead or follow. Either is fine.
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to elhigh For This Useful Post:
mcrews (09-24-2014), Xist (09-25-2014)
Old 09-24-2014, 10:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
Welcome, Ulrich!

Quote:
Originally Posted by u.steinlechner View Post
Frum you, I like to get feedback about the difference of fuel consumption and aerodynamic drag.
How did you gather the fuel consumption data? It seems out of line with the drag reduction numbers.

Either way, a nice improvement.

As for choosing a vehicle for a mass produced bumper: it would make sense to pick a popular vehicle that uses the most fuel. The cost to the buyer must be less than the potential savings. In North America: choose a pick up truck.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
Xist (09-25-2014)
Old 09-24-2014, 02:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
cowmeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 1,659

Princess Carriage - '20 Ford Explorer Limited

Silver - '22 Ford Maverick Hybrid XLT w/tow pkg
Maverick Hybrids
90 day: 41.3 mpg (US)
Thanks: 128
Thanked 764 Times in 461 Posts
That's the most hideously awesome bumper since the Black widow's!

You could sell them on here all day long, but the general public is way more interested in form than function.

A little advice for the US market: You need to diversify, bro!

Fit it for an EG hatch, sharpen the angles a bit, add some neons and a lip, wrap it in pseudo-carbon fiber, slap a JDM sticker on it and claim it adds 40 horsepower, and you could pitch it to the tuner boys.

Fit it for a 65 Ford, chrome plate it, add some crushed velvet highlights and hydraulics to it, you could market it to the low riders.

Fit it for a Crown Vic, add a Denny's detector, a "find home" beeper and a rod with a tennis ball on it for the older crowd.

Fit it for an F250, wrap it in camo with chrome plated bulls balls hanging off the bottom and you've got it sewn up for the git-er-dones

Make a 24" drop-down version for the donks wrapped in Skittles or Lucky Charms . . . . .

I think I've covered a pretty wide spectrum of our market here for ya
__________________

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to cowmeat For This Useful Post:
MetroMPG (09-24-2014)
Old 09-24-2014, 06:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,715
Thanks: 8,150
Thanked 8,929 Times in 7,372 Posts
Quote:
...measurement in the windtunnel were 8% to 9% less drag.
Instead of percentages, what are the actual Cd figures? What goes on between those nostrils and the wheelwells? How far back does it extend underneath?

At a glance, it respects approach angles and lowers the stagnation point. How is it viewed by the TUV? Can its features be generalized to other platforms without new wind tunnel work?
___________

And since I'm full of questioins, how can you post pictures with only one post? It usually takes >5.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 03:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Germany
Posts: 23
Thanks: 7
Thanked 49 Times in 13 Posts
Thank you, answers will follow.

Hello,

thank you for all the responses.

I will answer most questions, except those who could be relevant for patents.

For me the idea is new, modify pickup trucks.
Solutions therefor I have in mind because I developed a aerodynamic kit for truck and trailer.

If you are manufactures of plastic parts, please contact me. I search for partners with production and sales.

Kind regards,
Ulrich Steinlechner
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 04:10 AM   #10 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Germany
Posts: 23
Thanks: 7
Thanked 49 Times in 13 Posts
Measurement of fuel consumption

One method, I used to measure the furel consumtion was a turbine flow meter.
Because a turbine does not measure exact changing flow rates, I measured at constant speeds.

The test track is a flat round course, driven at early sunday morning without influence of traffic. The weather conditions were equal. With GPS, I held constant speed. Average values came through multiple measurements.

Units are metric. km/h kilometers per hour. Consumption: liters per 100 km.

It is possible to change the aerodynamic parts within 15 minutes, so the time between the test is short.

Turbine Flow Meter
(Image will follow)

Counter
Hersteller (manufacturer) B.I.O-TECH e.K.
Typ ARS 260-A
ID 2160

Mini Durchflussmesser (flow meter)
Hersteller B.I.O-TECH e.K.
Typ FCH-m-PP-LC
Messprinzip Turbine
Düse 1mm
Impulszahl/Liter 10500

Treibstoff (fuel) Shell Super Benzin
Dichte (density) 0,7684
Temperatur °C 18

Flow Meter, GPS
(Image will follow)

(Image will follow)


Serial parts and aero-kit

[(Image will follow)

Tools to mount the kit
(Image will follow)

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to u.steinlechner For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-25-2014)
Reply  Post New Thread


Tags
aerodynamic, bionic, bumper, fuelsave, xanon





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com