05-24-2014, 02:44 PM
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Wait, everything that I have ever thought about wheel covers is wrong?
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05-24-2014, 07:47 PM
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Xist - your contribution arrived too. Stats updated in post #1.
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05-26-2014, 11:17 PM
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Yay! Wind tunnel.
What kind of data will you have afterwards?
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05-26-2014, 11:41 PM
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Will the aero trailer be involved? i'd be interested in seeing real cd measurements in A-B testing.
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05-27-2014, 06:19 PM
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I'd intended to run MOONs on the salt,but with immovable deadlines,I ran out of time and never got to drill and tap the wheels/covers.(didn't get the stinger finished either).
I had to settle for the GM knock-on caps which were okay for the highway,but illegal for Bonneville.
There never seems to be enough time,no matter how much you budget.
It turned out alright I suppose.While Mini Coopers and Mazda 3s were losing 17-mph in top speed,I managed a 10-mph gain,and with a weight penalty.
The fuel economy was the best I'd seen.As well as 37-mpg if I held to 65-mph.
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05-27-2014, 06:33 PM
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Yay! Wind tunnel.
What kind of data will you have afterwards?
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We should have drag and lift data and with the smoke trace,be able to spot any obvious problem areas.
No official frontal area is provided from Toyota for the 2WD T-100.I've estimated it as best I can.Perhaps Doug Tinney and staff have access to 'classified' info.
The stinger will be on for the trip along with an extra 12-inch,simulated,inflated super-stinger,which gets 5-feet overall total boat tail elongation.
Along with the tunnel data,I'll have over 3,000-miles of tank-mpg,as after the 'Tunnel',I'll be going on to Bonneville,Battle Mountain,Carson City,Nevada,and then into Southern California before heading home via Las Cruces,NM,and then Colorado Springs,Colorado.
There's a slim chance that she'll touch 40-mpg.That would be a first,and really fun!
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05-27-2014, 06:48 PM
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Will the aero trailer be involved? i'd be interested in seeing real cd measurements in A-B testing.
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The NASA Ames tunnel at Palo Alto,California is the only one with a test section long enough to accommodate the trailer and it's mass,so that's out of the picture unless I was under a DARPA SBA grant or something.
I got permission from the USFRA to run the trailer at Bonneville,but I run into the same quandary as with the truck.I'm limited to the 1-mile short course,and with the mass and horsepower I have, I can never attain terminal velocity.And without the top speed,there's no way to reverse-engineer the drag coefficient using Hucho's 30%/10% drag/top speed relationship.
About the only thing I can think of,is to run at a closed course such as out at Fort Stockton,Texas at the Bridgestone/Firestone Proving Grounds.
I met with the Director of the facility and he said it's not that expensive to rent the course and that they'd even ban onlookers if I chose.Wind is an issue.Bridgestone owns property near Sanger,Texas,and has contemplated moving their test track there,except that we have a lot of wind too.
Otherwise,I'll just do more mpg testing with the trailer as BamZipPow is doing with his 1-wheeler and hope that with enough data,that a Cd can be pulled out.
PS It is possible that I could create a faux center wheel and fairing to attach in the wind tunnel,which would simulate a properly-configured 1-wheel trailer,and have that measured.My trailer is too long and too heavy as an RV mini-caravan,but a fake wheel setup WOULD simulate the airflow of a gap-filled,full-boat-tailed trailer.We'll see.
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07-16-2014, 05:34 PM
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project update
*Red teardrop clearance lights are supposed to be in at NAPA tomorrow,which will allow completion of wiring for the new stinger.
*The stinger is essentially complete.
*It's my best work so far but still 50@50 build quality.
*It's painted.
*It has a rear windshield.
*It has a piano-hinged,recycled aluminum speed limit sign for a 'trunklid.'
*The trunklid has two Dzus fasteners for hold down.
*The lid has a steel prop rod (recycled from a dead Harbor Freight roller shaft)
*The prop rod has an aluminum rest.
*The prop rod engages into a CB radio microphone holder on the underside of the lid.
*I have a recessed upper 6-light array uter tail/stop/turn,mid-mounted dummy ambers,and working clear inboard backups.
*Two recessed license plate lamps.
*Will have two teardrop side marker lamps.
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The stinger attaches by piano hinge to the rear bottom of the 30-inch boat tail bulkhead and swings down onto bumpers for access into the tail/bed.
* I have something like an ammo box latch mechanism to tension the stinger to the tail and will also have a safety lanyard for second line of defense.
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I extended my shop area out a bit.It's covered.And I dug a shallow grave of 6-feet by 3-ft,a foot deep which is my new 'Hydraulic lift.' I'll be able to do all the lube servicing and belly pan work 'indoors' now.
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I hope to have all the pick and shovel fabrication work done in July,then spend August tidying everything up for the trip.
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I'll get photos soon.
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07-16-2014, 06:12 PM
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The stinger attaches by piano hinge to the rear bottom of the 30-inch boat tail bulkhead and swings down onto bumpers for access into the tail/bed.
* I have something like an ammo box latch mechanism to tension the stinger to the tail and will also have a safety lanyard for second line of defense.
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This is the ultimate RAT build, ecomodder style. Photos will be awesome.
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07-16-2014, 10:34 PM
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