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Old 04-13-2012, 04:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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has anyone on EM or any other place experimented with on vehicle (while driving) hydrogen generation simply to supplement the main fuel -gas, diesel, whatever? are there any numbers for such experiments?
secondly on the same vehicle(s) has pre-generated hydrogen been supplemented at the same rate. are there any numbers for that?
At a cost of $186.50 per gallon energy equivalent to gasoline who in their right mind would bother? even splitting water at home is going to cost you the same as if you had spent $37 per gallon on gasoline.
No one is saying that hydrogen does not burn, it does, it burns great, but it also doesn't have a whole lot of energy in it, like Old Mechanic said, a liter of hydrogen is the same amount of energy as one and a half wood matches, enough to burn you and make a pretty flame but it's a fluffy fuel.
You can of course also make hydrogen chemically by dropping aluminum in Lye works well, but then you need a source of aluminum that is cheaper then the scrap price.
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It comes up because people who can not understand the physics believe their is some way they can alter the laws of physics.
They also gobble up as gospel all that crap about miticlorions being able to give some scientifically unmeasureable form of telekinesis to the lucky guy who has it in his cells.
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A cop out explanation, double talk...figures.
So I assume then that you and others take the position that your assertions are absolutes and anything else is absolutely impossible.
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...the subject "...floats back up..." because somebody new thinks they can re-invent physics and chemistry properties using "P.T.Barnum" advertising slights-o-hands.
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HHO injection has nothing to do with the energy in itself. HHO interacts with the gasoline, unlocking its full potential.

Why do HHO threads continue to be so entertaining? That's the REAL question.
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still no answer to my question. to answer yours - i would!

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At a cost of $186.50 per gallon energy equivalent to gasoline who in their right mind would bother? even splitting water at home is going to cost you the same as if you had spent $37 per gallon on gasoline.
No one is saying that hydrogen does not burn, it does, it burns great, but it also doesn't have a whole lot of energy in it, like Old Mechanic said, a liter of hydrogen is the same amount of energy as one and a half wood matches, enough to burn you and make a pretty flame but it's a fluffy fuel.
You can of course also make hydrogen chemically by dropping aluminum in Lye works well, but then you need a source of aluminum that is cheaper then the scrap price.
1.22V infinity will bubble oxy and hydro out of water. coincidentally same voltage as your standard PV cell. backyards frequently have sun. high pressure diaphragm pump will allow you to create a meaningful hydrogen charge.
using some of my engines waste heat for getting the hydrogen ready for combustion will bring it another step closer to adiabatic. spark engines seem to like a gaseous fuel addition - compression engines LOVE it!

cheap aluminun? my neighbors yard
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WOAH. New evidence.
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1.22V infinity will bubble oxy and hydro out of water. coincidentally same voltage as your standard PV cell. backyards frequently have sun. high pressure diaphragm pump will allow you to create a meaningful hydrogen charge.
using some of my engines waste heat for getting the hydrogen ready for combustion will bring it another step closer to adiabatic. spark engines seem to like a gaseous fuel addition - compression engines LOVE it!

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PV panels cost money as well and it's widely known that 1.2v works well for separating water, my chemistry book from 1886 talks about splitting water this exact way! so it's new evidence! breaking news! just don't tell anyone 130 years ago that you just now figured this out or they might laugh at you!
But it takes a measurable amount of energy to split water how much energy though? 310,833 watt hours to produce a gallon of gasoline equivalent worth of hydrogen, If you want to do that with PV panels in a single day is going to cost you between $150,000 and $400,000 depending on the panels you can get your hands on, same number of panels would be able to power an Electric Car for 1,400 miles per day! or power ten houses for a day!
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try more fiber in your diet!

PV panels cost money as well and it's widely known that 1.2v works well for separating water, my chemistry book from 1886 talks about splitting water this exact way! so it's new evidence! breaking news! just don't tell anyone 130 years ago that you just now figured this out or they might laugh at you!

not while i am doing discovery. where can i read about this: 310,833 watt hours figure? how much volume is it and at what pressure?

But it takes a measurable amount of energy to split water how much energy though? 310,833 watt hours to produce a gallon of gasoline equivalent worth of hydrogen, If you want to do that with PV panels in a single day is going to cost you between $150,000 and $400,000 depending on the panels you can get your hands on,

i dont want to do that with pv. the price of pv, due to mass production, was suggested to have come down decades ago but it didnt really. AC supposedly is the way to go and much easier to generate...yes, in my backyard as well.

same number of panels would be able to power an Electric Car for 1,400 miles per day! or power ten houses for a day!

i've got 2-3 weeks. no need to drive if bicycles can do the job - right?
govs, craporations, nearly all euro auto mfgs have been courting hydro for
what, 40 years or more now. for instance, the city bus fleet in my home town has been sucking hydro fumes for years. and here, just for you, is the press release:
http://www.hochbahn.de/wps/wcm/conne...61fb4606916656

and this: "Der zur Erzeugung des Wasserstoffs notwendige Strom wird dabei vollständig aus regenerativen Energieträgern gewonnen."
is the new evidence you asked for.
while i was simply stating for the sake of simplicity the most basic hydrogen production method, backyard stuff, you know.
is it breaking news? no, the coffee has cooled by now. the PR was dated 2007.

FYI, that is a society where decisions are made by MORE than one person.
aimlessly printing money when you run out is illegal and it if werent it still wouldnt be done. very much unlike a place where trillions of dollars are spent in a matter of a few years just to make a coupa' billion.
if it doesnt balance out fiscally or environmentally, it wont even be ATTEMPTED.
listening to led zeppelin is one thing, flying one is an entirely different matter. impossible to ppl in one place, almost identical ppl with only 1 head, 2 arms and 2 legs just a few thousand miles away draw inspiration from negative energy from naysayers and put it to good use.

is that a geographical limitation? not really. INDEPENDANT THINKERS, like smokey yunick who built super efficient vehicles in his small shop by the beach, and even GM who accidentally made a huge IMPACT building something efficient - quickly realized their mistake and erased it utilizing large industrial hydraulic presses. see the big 3 had battled the EPA since its inception insisting that it was and is not possible to build efficient vehicles.
if that kind of publicity goes on long enough the general public eventually
latches onto that way of thinking, case in point: people that scoot around in lil green triangular boxes.

Smokey used wit and ingenuity - Generic Motors used $$$$'s
both methods got the job done!

laughing matter? - dont think so. those busses run veeeeery clean and if you have ever cycled in traffic absorbing CO2 instead of expelling it, taking on who knows how much CO all while seeking bee lines through black clouds of soot, you will have developed a keen appreciation for that kinda thing.

now, where was i? oh, discovery. has any body one here made hydrogen as a supplemental fuel and burned it in their vehicle(s).

come to think of it at least a portion of this post should be moved out of the "corral". Darin?

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