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Old 11-23-2019, 12:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Number one cost savings = lack of paint

I would love to have a truck that I don't need to worry about scratching.

I really like it. Hopefully I'll be ready to buy one in two years.

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The windows are a little smaller than I would like
A drop top would be sweet
I would have skipped the "tounneau cover"

From watching some Youtube videos, the first thing new riders said when they hopped in was, "Is that dashboard marble?" I'll let you guess what the dashboard really was, I wouldn't want to ruin the surprise.

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Old 11-23-2019, 12:22 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Price and timeline all won't happen. Specs, maybe. I'm sure the engineers love that they purposely made some unnecessarily poor aero choices while promising longer range at a lower price.
much better looking the the mazda Cx- [insert number here] Mustang


basically the mustang is the same crap that mazda/ford has been pumping out since 1996. also that hatchback design has been since the early 1990s ....
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Number one cost savings = lack of paint

I would love to have a truck that I don't need to worry about scratching.

I really like it. Hopefully I'll be ready to buy one in two years.

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The windows are a little smaller than I would like
A drop top would be sweet
I would have skipped the "tounneau cover"

From watching some Youtube videos, the first thing new riders said when they hopped in was, "Is that dashboard marble?" I'll let you guess what the dashboard really was, I wouldn't want to ruin the surprise.
looks like back to the future or a delorean



the market they are targeting is back to the future fans... esp with that design.. i'd buy one if i had the extra money to do so i got 40K in my bank account but i could buy one but i got nowhere to charge it..





at lest its made out of metal tired of "plastic cars and trucks"


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It can't carry or tow or go over more than any other light truck, it's pretty average on those specs. A F150 may have an MSRP of 30k or more but it's pretty common to get them 15-20% off MSRP. Also towing 10,000 pounds is one thing, towing 10,000 pounds on the average 300-500 mile trip is another. Those ranges will be 1/3 while towing the average camper and recharge times will be in the hours not minutes a gasser recharges. So drive an hour, charge an hour, is going to get really old really fast.

I don't think in the end they will be any less expensive (4wd to 4wd) than the Rivian with it's incentives, which will beat it to market by I bet 2 full years. The Rivian looks much better too.

I read that sport utility vehicles are more likely to be involved in fatal accidents. Fatal to the people in the other car.
Let's roll!



that is why they became more popular

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Old 11-23-2019, 11:47 AM   #24 (permalink)
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In hindsight I see similarities with another great design... The Geoff, a.k.a. the Hammerhead Eagle-i Thrust, built by the then Top Gear presenters...



I really don't think this truck will win over many truck owners, but I can see how police forces all around the world will look into using this as patrol cars.
And if my work or hobbies made other people want to pull triggers on me, this might also be a vehicle of choice. There are not that many bullet-proof vehicles about for only 40 grand.
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It was 9mm bulletproof, not "bulletproof"... and the glass isn't, clearly. Better than most vehicles at repelling attacks, but isn't what you want if you're expecting it.

I suspect the aesthetics will grow on my over the next 2 years until the planned production and expect the same will happen with others. Not to say I'll love it, but giving 2 years for the radical design to soak in might make it more palatable.
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Old 11-23-2019, 01:55 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It can't carry or tow or go over more than any other light truck, it's pretty average on those specs. A F150 may have an MSRP of 30k or more but it's pretty common to get them 15-20% off MSRP. Also towing 10,000 pounds is one thing, towing 10,000 pounds on the average 300-500 mile trip is another. Those ranges will be 1/3 while towing the average camper and recharge times will be in the hours not minutes a gasser recharges. So drive an hour, charge an hour, is going to get really old really fast.

I don't think in the end they will be any less expensive (4wd to 4wd) than the Rivian with it's incentives, which will beat it to market by I bet 2 full years. The Rivian looks much better too.
Aerostealth gets around 9-mpg pulling the biggest 5-wheel out there, with his 2014,F-150,3.5-L, EcoBoost.The Tesla should do 27-mpge pulling the same trailer.We know already,from back-to-back Tesla/ICE comparisons,that the BSFC of the Tesla is 1/3rd that of ICE.In a generation,folks will probably bust their sides with laughter,when they find out trucks used to have 'pistons,'
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Number one cost savings = lack of paint

I would love to have a truck that I don't need to worry about scratching.
Unpainted steel is way harder to keep looking good than paint. With paint you can just buff out a scratch. You can do the same with unpainted steel but it is way harder to blend from the newly buffed area to the weathered original surface.

You also can't repair dents with unpainted steel because you can't use filler. Either the dent is knocked out perfectly or you have to replace the panel. With a painted service you pop out the dent so it is close to the original shape, fill with body filler, sand the surface to match, and then repaint.

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The Tesla is advertised as carrying 3500 lbs and towing 14,000 lbs. (I assume in high spec trims not the base one motor version.)

A current F-150 is rated to carry 3270 lbs and tow 13,200 lbs maximum. I suspect Ford can find a way to match the Tesla in the next 2-3 years.

Iím also skeptical that a unibody truck will hold up carrying those kinds of loads.
Both,longitudinally,and transversely,the unibody would have orders of magnitude larger structural triangulation and stiffness available,compared with a body-on-frame, stamped- steel chassis.And with less mass.The roof apex would act as an integral rollbar,augmenting a-pillars,b-pillars,and c-pillars in tightening,roll-over roof-crush protection standards.I don't know how you could beat it for beaming and torsional rigidity.
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14 years later this is still a better design.
It's clever! Exhaust fumes entering the cabin from behind would be an issue though.Not an issue with a BEV.
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Number one cost savings = lack of paint

I would love to have a truck that I don't need to worry about scratching.

I really like it. Hopefully I'll be ready to buy one in two years.

Nitpicks:

The windows are a little smaller than I would like
A drop top would be sweet
I would have skipped the "tounneau cover"

From watching some Youtube videos, the first thing new riders said when they hopped in was, "Is that dashboard marble?" I'll let you guess what the dashboard really was, I wouldn't want to ruin the surprise.
Presently,an automotive finish is the most expensive part of a vehicle.The lack of a spray booth and all the robotics will shave a lot off the cost of a production facility.And OPEC price shocks won't affect the price of the Tesla's 'finish.' Ever.

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