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Old 11-12-2024, 11:48 AM   #61 (permalink)
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' Argonne National Laboratory '

It's curious that you embrace 'these' National Lab. 'scientists' when their hypotheses have the appearance of agreeing with your boric acid argument, but when scientists from other National Labs, who actually study automotive tribology publish 'against' your premises, you appear eager to throw them all under the bus, along with thousands of others in other organizations, linking them all to some master conspiracy, out to destroy the longevity of automobiles, and the pocketbooks of their owners.

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Old 11-12-2024, 12:02 PM   #62 (permalink)
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' Dr. Ari Erdemir '

I came up with two pages of observations about how his research on boric acid is of zero value, with respect to automotive engine tribology.
Since you're still defending him, I must presume that you didn't read anything I've posted, so I'm reluctant to type a single additional character unless there's some probability that you'd actually study it for comprehension.
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You, 'finetuning' B.H. Pian, and all contributors at TEAM-BHP-COM / BORPower appear to fail to understand what engine 'friction' is, and until you all figure it out, it would be 'folly' on my part trying to move the dial on the conversation.
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Old 11-12-2024, 12:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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' unmixed lubricant '

Dr. Ari Erdemir provided us no more specificity about the physical properties attributed to his 'unmixed lubricant' other than it was 'mineral oil.'
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For reasons that you don't know about yet, by offering the patent examiner no more than such nebulous information as he did, could lead them to believe that he was experimenting with 'Swan's Mineral Oil', sold as a 'laxative' and lubricant ( although the label never explains what kind of lubricant ) some of which I purchased this morning at ACE Hardware, along with some 99% boric acid powder, enough to treat a half-liter of 'oil.'
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Old 11-12-2024, 12:23 PM   #64 (permalink)
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' ball-bearings '

Ball-bearings are not used in automotive engines.
They're not an appropriate analogue when comparing bearings used in automobiles.
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Old 11-12-2024, 12:27 PM   #65 (permalink)
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' lawn mowers '

There again, no specificity.
For the history of ICE-powered lawnmowers, they predominately had 'splash' lubrication systems.
Not germane to automobile engines.
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Old 11-12-2024, 12:42 PM   #66 (permalink)
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' piston to cylinder clearance '

* Pistons are formed out-of-round at room temperature.
* During operation, the piston/skirt expand, based upon the coefficient of thermal expansion chosen by the engine designer, becoming 'round' once thermally-equilibrated.
* The action of the piston rings under combustion pressure, staggered gaps in the compression and oil rings, along with the oil film separating the piston from the cylinder wall provides the trifecta of industry-acceptable combustion gas sealing.
* Compression ratio, rated brake-horsepower, and brake-torque reflect the capability of this trifecta.
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Old 11-12-2024, 12:54 PM   #67 (permalink)
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' surface smoothness '

* I suspect that this is the very source of the intellectual 'cul de sac' where you're presently trapped, with respect to 'tribology.'
* I think that you're associating dry lubrication sliding friction conceptualizations in connection with automobile lubrication.
* They're two completely different animals.
* Not germane to one another.
* Not analogous.
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I've already tried to point this out, but so far, there's no evidence that you 'got the memo.'
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Old 11-12-2024, 01:17 PM   #68 (permalink)
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' reading between the lines '

* Here's the deal.
* Around 6,700 members and guests have visited this thread.
* According to testimonial advertising for automotive extended warranty insurance policies, car owners are seeing engine replacement costs of up to $ 14,000 ( US Dollars ).
* If 6,700 members or guests were to pour a mixture of boric acid-water solution into their engine's crankcase and lose the engine, we're looking at a potential damages of up to $ 93-million, 800- thousand dollars.
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I am a mechanical engineer, and an automotive engineer since 1974, and the only reason I went to college in the first place was to understand about automobiles.
At 50-years now I remain a student.
It's because of 'what I know' that I'm throwing caution flags on the field.
Don't take it personal.
I think you're really trying help, but it's 'what you don't know' yet, that's so dangerous.
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If you 'were' in school, and this was 'Auto Tribology 101 ', it would be a 20-week course, 100-hours in a classroom setting, plus 20-hours in a lab.
You'd be a grad student, having already spent $100,000 on bachelor's degree.
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' Boron compounds and oil chemistry '

In Dr. Ari Erdemir's PATENT discourse, it is 'he' that states ( paraphrasing ) ' Use only lubricants which are chemically unreactive with boric acid.'
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If your a professional chemist and know before hand if boric acid in motor oil is compatible with every chemical and metal I listed, only 'then' have we satisfied Dr. Erdemir's self-imposed constraint.
I'm just the messenger.
I read every word he published, and I read it for comprehension.
$ 93-million are hanging in the balance!
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' powder '

* Dr. Erdemir used boric acid powder of '0.5 micron, to 100-microns.'
* Automotive tribologist know that oil-borne particulates of 2 microns- to- 5 microns are damaging to an engine, causing perceptible wear.

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