BORPower additive?

[freebeard]

Eight posts in one hour and forty minutes. You're talking over yourself.

Ball-bearings are not used in automotive engines.

The best VW engines have an SPG roller bearing crankshaft.

[aerohead]

Looking at the Argonne article on Dr. Erdemir's testing shows the 'pin-on-disc' friction test apparatus.
When you examine the difference between what these tests reveal, and how actual motor oil testing is conducted, you realize that there's a 'mile' of daylight in between them.
Caveat Emptor

[aerohead]

More 'pin-on-disc'. Not tested in an internal combustion engine.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

It's curious that you embrace 'these' National Lab. 'scientists' when their hypotheses have the appearance of agreeing with your boric acid argument, but when scientists from other National Labs, who actually study automotive tribology publish 'against' your premises, you appear eager to throw them all under the bus, along with thousands of others in other organizations, linking them all to some master conspiracy, out to destroy the longevity of automobiles, and the pocketbooks of their owners.

Please do post papers saying Boric Acid in oil does not work.

While you're at it you might explain to ME how it is that I saw extremely positive results from MY OWN research?
Are you calling me a liar?
If so: What do you suppose my motivations for lying may be?

I'm happy to state my name etc if you want to look for any affiliation between Boric acid lubricant additives currently on the market and myself.

Where is YOUR personal research on the matter??


If you are in the business of selling cars/engines; Why would you want to cut sales to... I don't know; one tenth? of what they were?

Lets say you were making $ 10 000 a month and something new was about to come out that would cut your income to $1000; would YOU welcome the new tech?
Or might your reaction be similar to what you are currently doing...?

The quoted research (of which there is a lot more) is NOT ALL from Argonne National labs.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I came up with two pages of observations about how his research on boric acid is of zero value, with respect to automotive engine tribology.
Since you're still defending him, I must presume that you didn't read anything I've posted, so I'm reluctant to type a single additional character unless there's some probability that you'd actually study it for comprehension.
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You, 'finetuning' B.H. Pian, and all contributors at TEAM-BHP-COM / BORPower appear to fail to understand what engine 'friction' is, and until you all figure it out, it would be 'folly' on my part trying to move the dial on the conversation.

I on the other hand
Put in in an engine that was at deaths door to actually test it and saw dramatic positive improvements.
Based on that I put it in a good number of other engines. All with extremely positive results.

Have you made any observations based on direct action/testing of the substance at issue?
Any at all?

Do YOU read everything I write?
With the intent to understand what I am trying to say..?

eg:
I posted about the layer of aluminum oxide that forms fast on aluminum as an EXAMPLE of how ceramic layers of other types do form on metal surfaces and act as a barrier.
You jumped on that with great glee, thinking I'd just committed a faux pas you could triumphantly ride over the finish line.

I assume your rep here is almost as important to you as your seeming want to always be right about everything.
So you might consider how that (just one example) looks to others who do in fact read, comprehend and assimilate whats written here and thus pick up on YOUR faux pas.
How likely is anyone actually READING that to take anything you say seriously in the future??
Have you considered the possibility that few if any do... but know better than to wast time and energy saying anything..?

As for myself;
I feel that reading the OPINIONS of someone seemingly INCAPABLE (for whatever reason) of reading and comprehending what I (and many others here) have written counterproductive.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Dr. Ari Erdemir provided us no more specificity about the physical properties attributed to his 'unmixed lubricant' other than it was 'mineral oil.'
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For reasons that you don't know about yet, by offering the patent examiner no more than such nebulous information as he did, could lead them to believe that he was experimenting with 'Swan's Mineral Oil', sold as a 'laxative' and lubricant ( although the label never explains what kind of lubricant ) some of which I purchased this morning at ACE Hardware, along with some 99% boric acid powder, enough to treat a half-liter of 'oil.'

"This invention was made with Government support under Contract No. W-31-109-ENG-38 awarded by the Department of Energy. The Government has certain rights in this invention...."
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5431830A/en

All patents 'paint' their claim 'picture with as broad a brush" as possible to cover any and all eventualities.

Therefore "unmixed lubricant" means ANY lubricant not containing Boric Acid.

If
you want to accuse me of not reading your OPINION.
then
You might want to look in the mirror.

Another faux pas...? What will other people think?
Not say here. Who has the time and energy for your wrath? But think...

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Ball-bearings are not used in automotive engines.
They're not an appropriate analogue when comparing bearings used in automobiles.

Ah...

Would treating an old ball bearing be a test, cheaply and easily done, to see if this stuff works in general?
By anybody? Including yourself?

Could an old sleeve bearing, as used in many cheap computer fans, as well as engines, be used?

Was a computer fan mentioned in the same post?



(I am starting to find this amusing!
Is there any way to check how many people are 'buying popcorn for this show'!?)

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

There again, no specificity.
For the history of ICE-powered lawnmowers, they predominately had 'splash' lubrication systems.
Not germane to automobile engines.

No thety dont.
They have an inferior lubrication system to car engines.
if
This works in an engine with an inferior lubrication system
then
What is the likely outcome in an engine with a superior lubrication system?

Here let me help you:
If the oil pump pickup has a very fine sieve, the sludge loosened by the extremely slippery boron layer forming underneath it loosens the sludge and said sludge is prone to block the fine sieve, leading to oil starvation in the pressure fed bearings in the engine.

This is an issue I discovered in VW engines only, by doing practical ground level research of my own. Which I then wrote about here.
I recommend it! Give it a try!

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

* Pistons are formed out-of-round at room temperature.
* During operation, the piston/skirt expand, based upon the coefficient of thermal expansion chosen by the engine designer, becoming 'round' once thermally-equilibrated.
* The action of the piston rings under combustion pressure, staggered gaps in the compression and oil rings, along with the oil film separating the piston from the cylinder wall provides the trifecta of industry-acceptable combustion gas sealing.
* Compression ratio, rated brake-horsepower, and brake-torque reflect the capability of this trifecta.

Agreed.
And?

[freebeard]

Six posts in an hour and a quarter. Now he's got you doing it. I use the Edit button if there is no more recent post.

(I am starting to find this amusing!
Is there any way to check how many people are 'buying popcorn for this show'!?)

Each subforum page lists each thread's Replies and Views. Watching views accumulate is as close as you'll get (according to me).