Chinese EV sales in collapse

[freebeard]

My ignorance on the subject is because I'm not curious enough to Google it.

Good for you. Resist that temptation.

In other news, the browser I use was acquired by System1. tech.slashdot.org: Alternative Browser 'Waterfox' Acquired By System1 (waterfox.net)

Long-time Slashdot reader Freshly Exhumed contextualized the news with this brief history of the alternate browser ecosystem:
As the usage share of web browsers continues to show a lopsideded dominance by Google Chrome, many previously-independent browsers have fallen by the wayside or have been reinvented as Chrome variants (i.e. Opera, Edge, Brave). Apple forges on with its Safari browser while other, smaller projects tend to be quite limited for multi-platform users, such as Dolphin and Bromite.
....
Alex Kontos is a developer who attempted to provide continuity with dropped Firefox capabilities in his multi-platform Waterfox browser, proudly declaring that Firefox's user data sharing and telemetry collection was not included. For that privacy focus a certain popularity of Waterfox occurred. Now Kontos has revealed that his Waterfox project has been sold to System1, a company describing itself as "a consumer internet and applications company with the most powerful audience expansion platform in the industry."

Originally Posted by serialk11r

There's that report of a man from Japan contracting the virus in Hawaii...I feel like it's only a matter of time before lots of cases are discovered in the continental US. I'm in NYC so my chances are very high :/

I'm following Dr. John Campbell. He seems to know what he's talking about.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Good for you. Resist that temptation.

I know you well enough to know that you're referring to resisting the temptation to feed Google, not the temptation to be informed, just to make it clear to everyone else.

I like your jabs, but I probably miss half of the references.

[freebeard]

I like your jabs, but I probably miss half of the references.

You don't know the half of it.

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

There's that report of a man from Japan contracting the virus in Hawaii...I feel like it's only a matter of time before lots of cases are discovered in the continental US. I'm in NYC so my chances are very high :/

We're heading to Hawaii this weekend, maybe we'll bring it back the next.

I feel safer taking the kids there than I ever did taking them to NYC. Driving in Manhattan is pretty adventurous. Parking, more so.

[hayden55]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

You know, instead of speculating and imagining weird conspiracies based on whatever TV you've watched about North Korea or the Soviet Union (which are not China), you can Google yourself to find every other article talking about all the official praise he's getting (highlighting that this is a very rare phenomenon in China too):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ch/4688827002/

He didn't announce the disease, he messaged some doctor friends saying there were cases of SARS. The police brought him in, then he went straight home and was not booked in jail, then came down with the virus and died in the hospital. You can also easily find this if you read some news articles, which y'all clearly didn't.

State media and high level officials have called him a hero, but that's pretty ironic IMO because he didn't set out to warn people at all, it's just that since he died (publicly announced) that public anger exploded.

Come on, this forum is supposed to have fact-based, intelligent discourse, I know you're better than this, redpoint5 and hayden55. I don't want to see the stupidity of the internet reach here.

The man and all 7 of his buddies were booked on misdemeanors for spreading lies and false rumors. All eight of them were required to sign for their crimes and discontinue their conversations about the new virus resembling the coronavirus of 2003 which can spread from human to human. At the time the chinese government was telling everyone it was just wuhan pneumonia and that it was peak flu season. They only reversed the ruling weeks later and announced him a hero later after it was clearly diagnosed as the coronavirus at emergency level after extreme public outrage.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...or-li-wenliang

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...pitalised-over

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/15...red-the-world/

It will be interesting to watch. Wuhan is a huge manufacturing hub. Its effecting businesses here that manufacture from parts produced in Wuhan.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by hayden55

The man and all 7 of his buddies were booked on misdemeanors for spreading lies and false rumors. All eight of them were required to sign for their crimes and discontinue their conversations about the new virus resembling the coronavirus of 2003 which can spread from human to human. At the time the chinese government was telling everyone it was just wuhan pneumonia and that it was peak flu season. They only reversed the ruling weeks later and announced him a hero later after it was clearly diagnosed as the coronavirus at emergency level after extreme public outrage.

I owe you an apology as well for my outburst!

I believe the definition of "booked" requires incarceration; "reprimanded" is more appropriate since there isn't punishment. It's colloquially referred to as "going for tea/coffee" at the police station in Singapore and China (and iirc it was more common elsewhere in Asia in decades past). The police tell you they're not happy and you need to stop, you confess and agree to stop and all is well, worse things happen if you don't.

The public outrage is not because he was mistreated, it's because the (technically false) rumor he started turned out to be close to the truth in severity. I think it's more accurate to say his reputation was uplifted by the central govt after the situation got bad: https://twitter.com/caixin/status/1223264674495361024 (article behind paywall, but I had seen it somewhere else)

The politics is interesting since you have the central govt which has been seen as tightening censorship over the years using this example to attack the local govt. They pretty much have to reduce censorship in some way after this. Playing devil's advocate though, if those doctors weren't silenced, the disease would still have spread just as fast, and it's very tough to make the disruptive call for people to stay home before more is known about a disease.

China aside, epidemics are exactly when you need to rely on good ole big gov't to tell you what to do, because it's impossible to get enough people to listen to a non-official warning. The CDC here is basically saying don't worry too much, and as a result people are still out and about, even though it's in the news everyday. I actually felt pretty nervous riding the packed subway today...but I still did it.

What procedures people come up with to streamline bureaucracy to tackle epidemics faster in the future is going to be the important lesson.

[RedDevil]

At least there is a new treatment available for people suffering from the Corona virus.
Or more precisely: an old treatment...

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...oroquine-data/

Early data from clinical trials being performed in China has revealed that chloroquine phosphate could help treat the new coronavirus disease, Covid-19.
...
Data from the drug’s studies showed ‘certain curative effect’ with ‘fairly good efficacy’.

According to Sun, patients treated with chloroquine demonstrated a better drop in fever, improvement of lung CT images, and required a shorter time to recover compared to parallel groups.

The percentage of patients with negative viral nucleic acid tests was also higher with the anti-malarial drug.

Chloroquine has so far showed no obvious serious adverse reactions in the more than 100 participants in the trials.

Chloroquine was discovered in 1934 by Hans Andersag.[3][4] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[5] It is available as a generic medication.[1] The wholesale cost in the developing world is about US$0.04.[6] In the United States, it costs about US$5.30 per dose.

[Piotrsko]

So we should be drinking gin & tonics?

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

So we should be drinking gin & tonics?

That's quinine, not chloroquine.

Quinine is a medication used to treat malaria and babesiosis.[2] This includes the treatment of malaria due to Plasmodium falciparum that is resistant to chloroquine when artesunate is not available.

I don't think it helps against the Corona virus like chloroquine does, but at least it tastes bitter and intensifies your sunburn. Yeah, useful.

[hayden55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycrqXJYf1SU

They do say there is effective treatments that reduce the fatal outcomes of the disease. Similar to pneumonia treatment where they put you on a respirator. But china isnt doing that so it doesn't matter much. Too many infected to try it. Per what was reported on the original outbreak in 2003. Video unrelated to treatment but a good outline of the current outbreak.
One thing I think is fishy is the 2% fatality record being reported. In 2002-2003 it was 10% of all people infected died from the disease.

I have noticed its pretty hard to order parts from alibaba and the like right now.
Here is what the CDC says on receiving packages from China:
Q: Am I at risk for COVID-19 from a package or products shipping from China?
A: There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged COVID-19 and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV). The virus that causes COVID-19 is more genetically related to SARS-CoV than MERS-CoV, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, we can use the information gained from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us. In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with imported goods and there have not been any cases of COVID-19 in the United States associated with imported goods. Information will be provided on the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) website as it becomes available.