12-29-2011, 11:49 AM
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Your MPG Estimates
looks like 2 people have low mileage issues out of the total number reported.
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12-29-2011, 05:35 PM
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Another case that we are just that much closer to the movie Idiocracy.
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12-30-2011, 12:47 AM
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I see this issue as operator error. I drive the same car and did notice a very small dip in mileage after the recall/reprogramming.
But adding ethanol to the fuel had a much larger impact to FE. Why not sue the government for pushing ethanol with a net loss in energy savings.
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12-30-2011, 03:07 PM
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I see this issue as operator error.
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What would be the operator errors you are referring to?
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...just gotta remember the phrase: "...we're from the Government, we're here to help..." being mumbled by FEMA, IRS, and TSA agents.
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I'm sure in part you mean this as a joke. Corporations are often the biggest and most unaccountable bureaucracies in our lives. It can't be viewed as simply as Honda is good and government is bad.
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See my car's mod & maintenance thread and my electric bicycle's thread for ongoing projects. I will rebuild Black and Green over decades as parts die, until it becomes a different car of roughly the same shape and color. My minimum fuel economy goal is 55 mpg while averaging posted speed limits. I generally top 60 mpg. See also my Honda manual transmission specs thread.
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12-30-2011, 04:15 PM
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I'm sure in part you mean this as a joke. Corporations are often the biggest and most unaccountable bureaucracies in our lives. It can't be viewed as simply as Honda is good and government is bad.
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It could also be a situation where not all battery packs are equal. Some people may have good cars but lemon batteries.
Has battery manufacturing quality control been ruled out in the suit?
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12-30-2011, 09:49 PM
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I'm sure in part you mean this as a joke. Corporations are often the biggest and most unaccountable bureaucracies in our lives. It can't be viewed as simply as Honda is good and government is bad.
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You're right. I'd view Honda as an entity out to make money by blessing others with a good product, making them kinda neutral, and government as bad/incompetent. Glad you pointed that out.
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12-31-2011, 05:53 PM
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Let's not have this thread devolve into a political philosophy "debate". Thanks!
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12-31-2011, 06:55 PM
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MetroMpg -- I deleted my posts, assuming you were referring to them.
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12-31-2011, 08:16 PM
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Thanks. It wasn't what raised the red flag though.
Let's just try to keep things on topic.
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01-01-2012, 11:15 PM
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FYI
Just got the paperwork in the mail for this lawsuit settlement.
They are offering $100 for the poor fuel economy and an additional $100 for the 2006-2008 HCH subclass who feel that the software update made the car perform poorly.
Also they are extending the warranty for the IMA battery system for another year and 12,000 miles.
This is better than nothing. The woman in California is going for $10K in small claims court, I doubt she will get it.
In a nutshell the issue I see is that the software update was done to preserve battery life, and by doing so they are only using 50% of the battery power, this in turn decreases mileage and horsepower available.
I bet car manufactures will be a bit gun shy in the future claiming high MPG numbers. Honda originally claimed 50 MPG for both city and highway.
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