The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

What Al Gore does as an individual is of little concern to me.
So far,I've not been able to find flaw with the science he's shared.I'm still looking.
I'll be sticking with the peer-reviewed science,by climatologists.
The ad hominem attacks don't do a thing for me.

So you still think the polar ice caps are going to melt by 2010?
I would say that's a bit of a flaw.

That's what you call control.
He says the sea levels are going to rise, buys a 9 million dollar beach front mansion, tells you all that CO2 is going to kill us all but then flies around in a private jet while his unoccupied mansions consume thousands of dollars worth of utilities every month.
If that doesn't at least plant the seed of doubt then there is no hope for you and you're going to choke down what ever they put in front of you while pretending to smile.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

If you resolve the troposphere into a single sphere,at standard temperature and pressure,it's shadow will only cover half the width of the USA.
Since the start of the Industrial revolution,man has burnt the equivalent of Earth's entire forest cover,300-times.
Picture in your mind, 30,000 years worth of 100-year-old oak forest in a single bonfire.That's a snapshot of anthropogenic carbon.

That's not a scientific law just speculation.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I'll let Neil speak for himself,but I'd like to offer up some of the variables which NASA has had to consider and incorporate into their numerical models (by no means a complete list):
*albedo
*Arctic shallow sea methane hydrates
*aspherity of inner core
*black swan events
*cloud type (temporal/spatial
*cloud cover (temporal/spatial
*cryosphere
*deep ocean heating
*dust storms
*ocean currents
*solar insolation
*solar plages
*convection
*conduction
*Antarctic cold lid
*ocean thermodynamics
*ocean fluid dynamics
*methane clathrates
*dissolved methane
*drought
*continental plate tectonics
*El Nino Southern Oscillation
*Decadal temp, oscillations
*relative humidity
*La Nina
*Dansgaard-Oeschaer oscillations
*Siberian permafrost methane eruptions,plumes
*volcanic sulfate aerosol eruptions
*evaporative salination
*evaporative cooling
*equatorial mass concentration
*meltwater stratification
*forest fires
*lunar cycles
*ice fractures
*general circulation models
*glacial disintigration
*greenhouse gas concentrations
*continental rebound
*hydrosphere\hydrological dynamics
*heat island effect
*heat conveyors
*hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones
*icebergs
*ice floes
*ice shelves
*infrared spectroscopy
*interhemispheric climate change
*inversions
*isotopic assays (carbon and oxygen)thermometry
*jet stream
*Keeling curve
*Kuroshio Current
*king tides
*lithosphere
*latent heat
*laser remote sensing of the atmosphere:
-atmospheric backscatter
-diiferential-absorption
-flourescence
-Raman
-(v) Doppler
*lapse rate dependency
*mesoscale problems
*meteorological drought
*Multivariate ENSO Index
*moulins glacial lubrication
*Milankovitch oscillations
*Maunder Minimum
*magnetic pole excursions
*magnetic reversals
*ocean heating
*ocean pH
*oceanic thermal expansion
*orbital forcings
*orbital spin axis
*orbital wobble
*precipitation
*polar vortex
*polyna
*peat decompostion
*paleopole
*salinity
*saltwater intrusion
*salt marsh
*sea floor spreading
*sea level
*sea surface temp
*snowfall
*seafloor hot spots (magma chambers,black smokers)
*snowmelt
*snowpack
*solar distribution
*solar flares
*solar minimum
*solar maximum
*steering winds
*storm surge
*Southern Meridional Overturning Current
*super moons
*supersaturated seawater (methane)
*swamps
*taliks
*tectonic thermal density plate subduction
*termites (methane)
*thermohaline circulation
*Tibet-Qinghai Plateau
*tornadoes
*tundra (melting)
*tidal surge
*trade winds
*tropical temperature variations
*undersea topography
*upwellings
*Walker Circulation
*water spouts
*water vapor radiative forcing
*West Antarctic Ice Sheet
*wetlands
*wildfires
*wind
*whitecaps
*wet-bulb temps
*Younger-Dryas

And the only constant is, they still get it wrong.

How much time to you waste doing this?

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It seems that the rising sea levels are Al Gore's science, which Aerohead appears to say is flawless. Purchasing the $9 Million beach side mansion seems to be the personal life that does not seem to be of concern to Aerohead.

Changing climate: 10 years after An Inconvenient Truth
2006: The warming ocean could fuel more frequent and more intense Atlantic hurricanes.
2016: Hurricane frequency has dropped somewhat; hurricane intensities haven’t changed much — yet.

2006: Freshwater flowing into the North Atlantic could shut down the ocean conveyor belt that shuttles warm water toward Western Europe.
2016: The ocean conveyor belt may already be slowing, but it’s not much of a conveyor belt at that.

2006: Climate change exacerbated droughts that contributed to regional conflicts, such as the war in Darfur.
2016: Drought conditions worsened by climate change helped spark the Syrian civil war.

2006: The Arctic could see its first sea ice–free summers in the next 50 to 70 years.
2016: Arctic summer sea ice may disappear as early as 2052.
[Wait, what? Gore said the north pole would have melted already, not between 2056 and 2076]

2006: Rising temperatures are warming the Antarctic and melting the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
2016: The West Antarctic Ice Sheet could cross a point of no return.

2006: Melting ice and expanding seawater are raising global sea levels.
2016: Historical evidence suggests sea levels can rise more than 10 times as fast as they are now.

2006: Warming temperatures will cause more frequent and more deadly heat waves.
2016: Humidity may make future heat waves deadlier; cold snaps are on the decline.

2006: The long-term effects of climate change deserve immediate action.
2016: Taking action comes with other, more immediate perks.
[This is not urgent?]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nvenient-truth

Science News says Gore got 6/8 points right?

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National Snow and Ice Data Center scientists Ted Scambos said that

in an effort to shock the public into action, the film did exaggerate some dire scenarios. It was "a bit over-the-top" to depict much of Florida sinking beneath rising waters. "This will take centuries, and again, the model used was the most pessimistic," he says.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/en...el-al-gore.htm

So, science fiction?

October 10th, 2007 a British High Court judge ruled that "An Inconvenient Truth" was "A political film" and could only be shown with guidance notes to prevent political indoctrination.

The nine alleged errors in the film

Mr Gore claims that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland "in the near future". The judge said: "This is distinctly alarmist and part of Mr Gore's "wake-up call". He agreed that if Greenland melted it would release this amount of water - "but only after, and over, millennia"."The Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus."

The film claims that low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls "are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming" but the judge ruled there was no evidence of any evacuation having yet happened.

The documentary speaks of global warming "shutting down the Ocean Conveyor" - the process by which the Gulf Stream is carried over the North Atlantic to western Europe. Citing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the judge said that it was "very unlikely" that the Ocean Conveyor, also known as the Meridional Overturning Circulation, would shut down in the future, though it might slow down.

Mr Gore claims that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed "an exact fit". The judge said that, although there was general scientific agreement that there was a connection, "the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts".

Mr Gore says the disappearance of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was directly attributable to global warming, but the judge ruled that it scientists have not established that the recession of snow on Mt Kilimanjaro is primarily attributable to human-induced climate change.

The film contends that the drying up of Lake Chad is a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming but the judge said there was insufficient evidence, and that "it is apparently considered to be far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and over-grazing, and regional climate variability."

Mr Gore blames Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans on global warming, but the judge ruled there was "insufficient evidence to show that".

Mr Gore cites a scientific study that shows, for the first time, that polar bears were being found after drowning from "swimming long distances - up to 60 miles - to find the ice" The judge said: "The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."That was not to say there might not in future be drowning-related deaths of bears if the trend of regression of pack ice continued - "but it plainly does not support Mr Gore's description".

Mr Gore said that coral reefs all over the world were being bleached because of global warming and other factors. Again citing the IPCC, the judge agreed that, if temperatures were to rise by 1-3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and mortality, unless the coral could adapt. However, he ruled that separating the impacts of stresses due to climate change from other stresses, such as over-fishing, and pollution was difficult.

https://www.wired.com/2007/10/too-convenient/

Is this a climate scientoligist? No, this is someone duly authorized to determine the truth.

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We now understand that hurricanes have more to do with solar dynamics than they do with trace amounts of plant food in the atmosphere.

Well the first time their dooms day predictions failed they just added 50 to 100 years to them. Instead of "we are all going to die soon" became a softer gentler "what kind of world are we leaving for our children and grandchildren".
I guess so it takes longer for them to be wrong.
Clearly gore is becoming a modern day L. Ron Hubbard.
No matter how crazy it sounds, it's gospel to the believers.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

We now understand that hurricanes have more to do with solar dynamics than they do with trace amounts of plant food in the atmosphere.

That is a nice way to play down the worst part of it.
As those trace amounts are turning the oceans which used to be basic into acid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
We don't know precisely what's going to happen then, but it will be too late to do something about it.

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Over earth's history the ocean has spent plenty of time well above current CO2 levels then compared to "when we arrived".
What's going to happen? Likely nothing since there have been way higher levels of CO2 in the past.
So again, I find nothing to panic about.

You people can panic all you want, I find it highly entertaining.

[freebeard]

'Past Performance Does Not Guarantee Future Results.'

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