The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

I was talking about room, not phosphorus. Today's link from Suspicious 0bservers:

Assessment of the Effects of Geomagnetic and Solar Activity on Bioelectrical Processes in the Human Brain Using a Structural Function

Some chucklehead on Slashdot (handle:flopsquad) wrote

"All aboard the armchair astrophysics train! Next stop, Electric Universe! Red Line right to Not Even Wrong, making stops at Time Cube, Flat Earth, Luminiferous Aether, and Turtles-All-the-Way-Down Town."

...in a post titled Can Electricity Travel Through Space on Astrophysical Jets?

I'm glad we don't get that level of discourse on Ecomodder.

[sendler]

Phosphate depletion will be nearly as big a problem in the coming decades as reduced access to crude. Big agg fields in the grain belt of the USA are little more than a medium to hold the roots for the application of fertilizer and water.
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And there is no way batteries can replace the liquid fuel energy consumed by giant farm and mining equpment we use to keep all of this running today.

[freebeard]

Screw crude (is that too crude?).

technologyreview.com:How to grow four tons of food a year in a metal box without sunlight

Rendered down sea salt brine has every element on earth.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Screw crude (is that too crude?).

You wish. Fossil fuel allowed everything that we have. Only fossil fuel sustains it.

[oil pan 4]

Going to have to replace the machinery with man power.

[sendler]

Just as it was before 1800. For sure by 2200. Plus some electricity for an internet of knowledge, meager lighting, ect. Self driving ride hailing will help stretch what we have left in the near term.
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Concept of a future self driving electric mini bus. everyone sets their trip via smart phone and the best available vehicle swings by to pick you up while letting others on and off. Creates a custom bus route every day depending on who is going where.

[freebeard]

You wish.

I was speaking figuratively. Eew.

The point was that growing edible foodstuff at the point of use obviates transportation of materials, produce, and shipping-friendly packaged product. You could power the violet LEDs with road-taxed high-test gasoline and come out ahead.

Plus which:

science.howstuffworks.com: Researchers Create Protein Powder With Just Microbes, Electricity, CO2 and Water

Once again, 'fossil' fuels are expedient but not fundamental.

[All Darc]

I bet people would kill each other in a case of long web connection loss.
Now imagine a food shortage... it would bring cannibalism.

We must remamber human species it's just a f... greed animal.
I'm not proud of be a member of this species.

[All Darc]

By looking at it, that would require powerfull on wheel motors if this bus would be with a lot of passanger instead of a few like this figure. Not sure if we already have such motor in small space.[

I remamber about one company that created very powerfull electric motor that was less than 50% the size of actual ones.

Originally Posted by sendler

Just as it was before 1800. For sure by 2200. Plus some electricity for an internet of knowledge, meager lighting, ect. Self driving ride hailing will help stretch what we have left in the near term.
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Concept of a future self driving electric mini bus. everyone sets their trip via smart phone and the best available vehicle swings by to pick you up while letting others on and off. Creates a custom bus route every day depending on who is going where.

[All Darc]

People use the best fertilizer to polute rivers and kill fishes. Thanks to toilet.

The holly sh... it's really holly. It can produce methane gas (combustible), fertilizer, and a brazilian research created a kind of bio-diesel using it.

Originally Posted by sendler

The current economic model is completely incompatible with 7.5 Billion people trying to grow all of their own food with no fossil fuel or artificial fertilzer. Both of which will experience catastrophic reductions in availability in the next 40 years.