The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[Xist]

Whenever a salesman tries to convince you to spend money unnecessarily, when you bring up cost, they try to convince you you cannot put a price on intangibles.

If you remember my super awesome thread that I personally asked to have closed, I asked how to improve global health with a far smaller sum of money. I am horrible at going off on tangents, yet I struggled to keep that on-topic.

We discussed the ridiculous number of people going hungry (and the way those numbers are manipulated), people who may eat enough, but still lack proper nutrition, those that lack access to clean water (and sanitation), and probably other issues like illiteracy, etc.

Think how much larger your echo chamber could be if people channeled money into people suffering now and they were able to chime in and say "Yeah! Xist is a nutcase!"

Has anyone claimed there are too many people yet in this thread? China tried to control their population and it backfired, but there must be many places where there are more people than resources to support them. I do not not know whether it was correlation or causation, but I shared an article about the more education a woman has, the fewer children she typically has.

My solution was to improve educational opportunities for women in the third world. Hopefully that helps them take care of themselves (and their families) better and we should have more people trying to improve the world.

If fewer of them have children they cannot support, is that a bad thing?

[Xist]

"By itself this calving is not a cause for alarm," Zwally said.
Large icebergs do periodically break off from Antarctica naturally, Zwally said. "But the ice shelf has been thinning as other ice shelves have been thinning in the Antarctic peninsula," he said.
There's no evidence linking this crack to climate change"
Scientists watch growing Antarctic crack but aren't alarmed

[sendler]

Originally Posted by Xist

China tried to control their population and it backfired

In what way did it backfire?

[NeilBlanchard]

Five scientists from the UK speaking about climate change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj9bYALLYJ4

If we do nothing to slow down and then stop burning fossil fuels - there will be no choice but to abandon ALL coastal human settlements. Carbon dioxide stops heat from exiting back out into space. We have more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere now than in the past million plus years - over that time, it was never higher than 300ppm - and now it is over 400ppm.

IF we have not already set off massive feedback amplifiers (melting tundra, re-release from sea water due to warming, melting clathrates, reduced albedo, etc) - then we WILL at some point.

[sendler]

I hear that often mentioned but see very little real traumatic end result in the current state of existence in China. The other alternative of doing nothing would have put them (and us) at 3 Billion population that they could never take care of. Eventually the rest of the entire world must realize that there are too many people here already and we must transition to negative growth worldwide.

[oil pan 4]

Now China has a generation of up to 3 or 4 men to one woman.
I wouldn't call it a plan backfiring because they know the value placed on male childern. More like a carefully crafted plan, to what end I do not know.

[freebeard]

At least the Chinese don't have that 1400 years of first-cousin inbreeding.

That results in cultures that think that Western women, who recognize the carrying capacity of their world and voluntarily limit their numbers, should be forcibly impregnated.

With low-IQ genes.

Edit: Here're the papers from today's

Suspicious 0bservers

Wavelet-based multifractal analysis on a time series of solar activity and PDO climate index

From the fractals point of view, we clarify the relations among solar activity, geomagnetic activity, and climatic regime shift.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1706/1706.05835.pdf
Arctic Sea Ice and the Mean Temperature of the Northern Hemisphere

ABSTRACT.
The importance of snow cover and ice extent in the Northern Hemisphere was recognized by various authors leading to a positive feedback of surface reflectivity on climate.
In fact, the retreat of Arctic sea ice is accompanied by enhanced solar input in the Arctic region, i.e. a decrease of the terrestrial albedo. We have studied this effect for the past six decades and estimate the corresponding global warmingin the northern hemisphere. A simple 1-dimensional model is used that includes the simultaneous increase of the greenhouse gases. Our results indicate that the latter directly cause a temperature rise of only 0.2K in 1955 to 2015, while a notably larger effect
0.7 ± 0.2K is found for the loss of Arctic sea ice in the same time. These numbers comprise most of the reported mean temperature rise of 1.2 ± 0.2K of the northern hemisphere. The origin of the sea-ice retreat is discussed, e.g. internal variability or feedback by the CO2 concentration increase.
Our data also suggest a delayed response of the global surface temperature rise to the loss of sea ice with a time constant of approximately 10 to 20 years.

a parasol orbiting the L-1 Lagrange point could be very effective.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Now China has a generation of up to 3 or 4 men to one woman.

I don't see anything near that number documented anywhere. The highest annual ratio I see is 121 to 100. Versus 107 to 100 for the world.
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Chinese Men Outnumber Women by 33 Million After Decades of Gender Bias
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[oil pan 4]

Must have been CNN making the problem sound worse than it really is.

[freebeard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_sex_ratio


Sex ratio by country for total population. Red represents more women, blue more men than the world average of 1.01 males/females.



Sex ratio by country for population aged below 15. Red represents more girls, blue more boys than the world average of 1.06 males/females.

Why does Sweden have more boys than girls? - BBC News

Where are all those military-age males coming from if not from within Sweden?