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Old 06-20-2017, 04:11 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Does anyone but a nut case go around claiming that the Earth is not* a sphere?
I think it's more than that. There's not enough nutcases to account for it.

Maybe they're culling the herd psychotronically? Maybe it's a 'dinner bell' to get the nutcases to identify themselves for chemical neutering?

The story has evolved from a circular ice wall 300ft high at the South pole, to an infinite plane with it's promise of infinite resources. Look inward, don't look up. Then you might question the angular momentum of distant galaxies.

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Is anyone denying the climate changes? I believe the first argument in this thread was that there were far larger problems.
Good post BTW.

https://www.google.com/search?q=younger+dryas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younge...act_hypothesis

11,600 years ago there was an human society comparable in some ways to our own. It was ended by an impact in the Caribbean basin that spewed molten material toward the Northwest. North and South America burnt. The ice cap over Canada melted.

The only place mega-fauna survived was in Africa.

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The cycle of life - the entire biosphere here on earth - is essentially a closed system. And the Laws of Physics say that NO energy or material can be created or destroyed.
au contraire mon frere. The Earth is coupled electrically with every other member of the Solar System. Water is created from sub-atomic particles in space.

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/starwater/

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The Dilbert cartoon contains no scientific facts, so it is neither right or wrong.

It is funny though, because we all know that economic modeling is junk.
The cartoon describes a meta-model of scientific models. It's funny because it's true.


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Old 06-20-2017, 07:06 PM   #162 (permalink)
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It will certainly be way cheaper to simply move affected people to more habitable areas, to treat their disease and hunger, and to rebuild than to spend our way towards carbon neutrality.

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Old 06-21-2017, 09:55 AM   #163 (permalink)
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The Dilbert cartoon is not accurate for how computer models are used for climate science. All conclusions are based on data, and the models are made more accurate as newer data is gathered.

Ironically, economic models that ignore climate change are guaranteed to be wrong.

Anthropogenic climate change is fact; based on all the evidence.

Ignoring climate change will cost far more than addressing it. Switching to renewable energy will PAY FOR ITSELF in a short period of time. We are already getting far more new jobs from renewable energy, than for fossil fuels.
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Is preemptively rebuilding NYC somewhere else cheaper than trying to mitigate problems and adapt to change?

Renewables are a good move regardless of where you stand on climate change.
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Renewables are a good move regardless of where you stand on climate change.
True. Whether or not you want to believe in man made global climate change and if it is a problem, there is a second problem looming. Which is simple fossil fuel depletion. It will take a century of focused effort to replace all of the energy we get from crude oil before it gets too expensive. And we need all of the crude we have left to build the new infrastructure to replace it.
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Anthropogenic climate change is fact; based on all the evidence.
I think most on this forum accept that fact.

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Ignoring climate change will cost far more than addressing it.
How do we know? It's difficult for me to wrap my mind around spending enormous amounts of money to reduce the outdoor thermostat a miniscule amount when that money can help people with acute needs.

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Switching to renewable energy will PAY FOR ITSELF in a short period of time. We are already getting far more new jobs from renewable energy, than for fossil fuels.
Makes sense to me. Harnessing free energy should be more cost effective in the long run than producing it. In time we will develop technology and infrastructure to overcome the intermittency of renewable energy.

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Is preemptively rebuilding NYC somewhere else cheaper than trying to mitigate problems and adapt to change?

Renewables are a good move regardless of where you stand on climate change.
Eh, we need a New, New York anyhow. Ever go for a walk on a hot summers night in Manhattan? Oh the odors you will discover from a city that planned nothing.

I'll second your comment that renewables make sense regardless of what we believe can/should be done about climate change.
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The tiny problem with building and installing renewables they are completely dependent on non renewables for every aspect of creation, transportation, implementation and maintenance.

No one seems to be too worried about the computer models. AL gore obviously not worried about the computer models saying the polar ice caps would be melted by 2018 when he bought a 9 million dollar beach front mansion some time around 2009 or 2010.
Probably has something to do with being made look like a fool after saying for years that the polar ice caps would be melted by 2010. He doesn't seem to be losing too much sleep over it.
It's almost like he knows something that he is not telling to his chicken little disciples.

If promoting dooms day man made global warming would make me not even rich, but just well off in a way that I would not really even have to work hard for I would become a believer in name only.

But when you follow the money and look at the actions of those promoting dooms day man made global warming is the only thing that truly worries them is the flow of money stopping and loss of influence. They leave all the worrying to the gullible.
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The tiny problem with building and installing renewables they are completely dependent on non renewables for every aspect of creation, transportation, implementation and maintenance.
Unlike non-renewables, apparently.

Now we've got cruise ships in the Northwest Passage, Antarctic ice shelves dropping like flies, and actual houseflies beginning to infest Antarctica. Being a smidgen off on the year predicted isn't much, and if the man wants to live at the beach, let him.
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Practicing what you preach makes your narrative that much more believable.
"Do as I say not as I do" leadership displays elitism and inspires resentment and damages cause credibility.

If I got rich quick off promoting dooms day global warming I would at least have the decency to act the part.
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Old 06-21-2017, 02:21 PM   #170 (permalink)
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THow much is the Paris Accord supposed to cost? Is anyone disputing $100 trillion?
Seems like it saves money in the long run.

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Anyway, I need to get to work, I need to drive my black Civic forty-five minutes each way in 120 F weather.
Why is your Civic black? That seems like really poor planning to me :-)

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