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Old 08-23-2018, 04:09 PM   #2531 (permalink)
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:11 PM   #2532 (permalink)
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Even better if, in countries with low workmanship, they just import photovoltaic solar cells from China and built their own panels, generating jobs in factories (assemble unities to put solar-cells in panels).

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Old 08-23-2018, 04:16 PM   #2533 (permalink)
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Thee is already technology to avoit nuclear wast and ensure nuclear fuel. Regeneration reactor can turn poor uraniun into plutoniun, and generate no waste. But the problem it's political, since plutoniunm can be used in nuclear weapons. Who will ensure the unities in a nuclear power plant will not sell the plutonium ?

And most reactors are not fools proof. Regeneration reactors I'm not sure if can be self turn-off in case of problems. In my country, for example, rifles exclusive from army forces end in the hand of violent drug dealers.

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This report has some interesting information.
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World Energy 2016-2050: Annual Report » Peak Oil Barrel
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I keep seeing studies like these that show that solar electricity is not that cheap.
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Wow, annual cost a 10% of construction cost. Wish my bank gave me 10% on my savings.

It does give me 0.02% actually.
It will take many thousands of years before I become a millionaire on that account. Building up from 2 whole cents does not help either.
(I'm expecting them to either drop my account or beg me to withdraw those two cents, so I'm keeping it up for the hell of it)
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Lucky! My savings account only pays 0.01%! I have looked into better accounts, but they still do not pay as well as my debts charge.
 
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This report has some interesting information.
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World Energy 2016-2050: Annual Report » Peak Oil Barrel
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I keep seeing studies like these that show that solar electricity is not that cheap.
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Looks like solar costs the most and produces the least.
Which is precisely what I have been saying all along.

The only time solar becomes some what competitive is when it's installed on an existing structure that already has power hooked up to it.
To take a bare field and turn it into a solar plant you are looking at $3 per kwh over the life of the system.

I'm trying to do it for about $2 per watt installed.
I could do it cheaper than that but I want a specific type of power inverter. The sunny boy grid tie with secure power supply.
A normal grid tie inverter is useless when the power goes out. The sunny boy SPS will allow you to use up to 1600w while the sun is on the panels, it will take raw solar power and convert it to 120v 60Hz power with no batteries.
The catch is it costs about 3 times as much as a normal no thrills grid tie inverter, but it's a fraction of the price of a hybrid inverter and system.

Simple grid tie inverter = around 10 to 15 cents per watt of capacity
Secure power supply inverter= around 20 to 30 cents per watt
Hybrid = over $1 per watt by the time you add batteries.
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It's charts from 2016...
Solar energy (photovoltaics) got cheaper than coal this year.

Well, not sure if coal it's nearly the same price as natural gas. Is it ?


Solar energy 50% cheaper than coal : https://electrek.co/2018/05/09/egeb-...millions-jobs/

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Thats more green washing.
That article is going off installed capacity not actual production.

Yeah it costs half as much per wat but solar only produces power 1/5 of the day.
Dollar for dollar production that solar costs at least double the price of coal.
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Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

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