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Old 10-17-2018, 03:54 PM   #3261 (permalink)
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There is plenty of evidence out there man isn't the driving force behind climate change. The believers just chose to ignore it.
The biggest one is solar forcing.

Main reason being the only solar forcing related papers the belivers will even look at is from the mid 1990s and agrees with their narrative.

But that's going to all change in 2021. There is a satellite going up that will specifically study the interaction between the solar wind and the earths atmosphere, weather, jet stream, ect.
This will absolutely confirm the suns impact on weather at first and climate as the data piles up.

I will have a tombstone made.

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197? - 2022"
The Parker Solar Probe is only there to figure out why the solar atmosphere is hotter than the Sun.It has nothing to do with anything else.
Solar irradiance of course is critical to Earth's climate,and the solar constant is what's at issue.And the Sun has been observed since 1611 when Galileo discovered sunspots,and observed it's rotation.
So far,no solar observatory has measured a variation in solar output of such magnitude that could account for global warming.
Venus is twice as far from the Sun as Mercury,but twice as hot!
Mercury,for all intents and purposes has zero atmosphere.
Venus has a nearly all-carbon-dioxide atmosphere,and it's why Venus remains 844-degrees F,day and night,with continuous winds of 200-mph.
It's the carbon dioxide!
And the reason Earth averaged 58-degrees F until recently,instead of Lunar temperatures is because of our atmosphere.
As we continue to increase Carbon dioxide,we must warm,just as with Venus.
Our models are good enough,since 1995,to predict warming,and Ockham's Razor dictates that we need not further investigate gross, causal couplings.

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Old 10-17-2018, 04:03 PM   #3262 (permalink)
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I'm curious if there has been any research on what the ideal (for human life and activity) ppm for CO2 is, and if others have found similar results?
I recommend you check out the Japanese Imperial Army,NACA/NASA/US Army,US NAVY,and Wermacht human factors research conducted long ago. They've exposed volunteers to myriad varying environmental conditions, measured ,and documented affects,up to, and including death.
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Not talking about the parker solar probe.
That one is going to be something like 4 million miles away from the sun. It's only going to study the sun.
The one I'm talking about is a fairly boring weather satellite with a little different instrumentation at a closer orbit than most weather satellites, its going to study earths atmosphere and the interaction between it and solar wind.

How does one observe the solar winds interactions with the upper atmosphere from the ground?
Furthermore how does one draw the conclusion that this satellite won't find anything new?
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Life long residents say where I live sand dunes used to be common. If you only look for negative you will only find negative.
My parents built their retirement home on a sand dune. It's still there and conifers have sprouted like the weeds they are. They blocked the ocean view to the NorthWest.



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Maybe space is getting colder.
Indubitably. It's referred to as entropy by those in the know.

aerohead I don't know if I posted this before, but I check BLDGBLOG once in a while and in July they had pointed to this:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3271

Letter | Published: 17 April 2017
Migration induced by sea-level rise could reshape the US population landscape
Mathew E. Hauer
Nature Climate Change volume 7, pages 321325 (2017)

All you get is the abstract and a pitch to 'rent or buy' for $8.99, but there is a list of 61 references and they will all have abstracts and references in turn.

Time to I.D. that satellite? I think GOES16 is phenomenal. You could watch the ring of lightning at the eyewall of hurricane Michael.
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Not talking about the parker solar probe.
That one is going to be something like 4 million miles away from the sun. It's only going to study the sun.
The one I'm talking about is a fairly boring weather satellite with a little different instrumentation at a closer orbit than most weather satellites, its going to study earths atmosphere and the interaction between it and solar wind.

How does one observe the solar winds interactions with the upper atmosphere from the ground?
Furthermore how does one draw the conclusion that this satellite won't find anything new?
One would presume that there'd have to be a need for it's data,to justify the expense of putting it up there.
Since space weather travels slower than the speed of light,if this satellite can be a early-warning system for telecommunications and GPS,it would be of value to a lot of customers,including the Pentagon.
If it detects a coronal mass ejection on our way,well it's extinction time for all of us.
There are blue jets which operate up to 75-miles,into the ionosphere.Sprites and other critters operating below.
Perhaps this newfangled satellite will discover some fun new facts.
If you're betting on the discovery of some cosmic ray,climate forcing mechanism,you may not want to wager too much on that bet.
Anthropogenic climate change is in a 'mature' enough stage,scientifically,that it's not necessary to search for alternate explanations.Again,Ockham's Razor.
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Time will tell.
With china now dwarfing the US in CO2 production and the sun going into a grand solar minimum.
We likely won't need a satellite to tell the suns effects on climate.
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Time will tell.
With china now dwarfing the US in CO2 production and the sun going into a grand solar minimum.
We likely won't need a satellite to tell the suns effects on climate.
I've been looking at 'Global Cooling',with a 44-page article from a 1976 National Geographic.
In the article,they mentioned that solar physicists have been continuously monitoring the solar constant,and with 11-year,22-year,and the 70-year Maunder Minimum,solar output hardly varied.
Other researchers have reported that sunspots have very little to do with solar irradiance.('no measureable significant change in solar output.')
Some of the paintings from the Little Ice Age depict unusually red sunsets,which imply tremendous particulate loading in the atmosphere at the time.We know from Krakatoa(1883,east of Java,East Indies)-scale volcanic eruptions,that enough ash can be vaulted into the stratosphere,that it can cool the entire planet for years.
It WILL be interesting to watch things unfold.
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So, we need to remove the particulate traps and catalytic converters from our diesels and let the coal roll

I really think most of the problems will be vastly reduced by a slowly tapering population. Having children will be out of vogue within my lifetime.
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Since space weather travels slower than the speed of light,if this satellite can be a early-warning system for telecommunications and GPS,it would be of value to a lot of customers,including the Pentagon.
If it detects a coronal mass ejection on our way,well it's extinction time for all of us.
There are blue jets which operate up to 75-miles,into the ionosphere.Sprites and other critters operating below.
Perhaps this newfangled satellite will discover some fun new facts.
If you're betting on the discovery of some cosmic ray,climate forcing mechanism,you may not want to wager too much on that bet.
Anthropogenic climate change is in a 'mature' enough stage,scientifically,that it's not necessary to search for alternate explanations.Again,Ockham's Razor.
I thought I'd've pointed to this, but it's only a week old.

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The grave diggers name is ICON and GOLD.
GOLD is already up.
ICON is going to focus on the suns interactions with the ionosphere.

If there is no relation for solar minimum and climate then why is china sinking billions of dollars on weather control to stave off grand solar minimum drought?
The chinese are convinced their bread basket area suffers severe drought and famine under grand solar minimums.

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