The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

How do even think to consider "do away with it now" without a mass population correction event of 75%? I don't think you will find many supporters of this plan.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

Obviously, you are convinced those two authors are absolutely correct and everybody else is wrong...unfortunately, that's not the basis for "consensus" group agreement.

It would be nice if anyone here would at least bother to check out the links to find out what they say.

[freebeard]

I re-viewed it. I listened to 20 min at 2x speed and the last 2 minutes. I'm pretty sure I looked at it the last time you mentioned it.

His penultimate slide says "A call for Superheroes". I'm seeing a grasp of the significance of the end of 'free' energy from carbon, but no actionable items.

I prefer the ur-environmentalist, R. Buckminster Fuller. He came out of the New England Transcendetalist tradition, but he was a machinist. An early proponent of 'fail early, fail often'.

While he said 'reform the environment, not the people', we're talking about a fairly brain-washed general population.

[Natalya]

Originally Posted by sendler

How do even think to consider "do away with it now" without a mass population correction event of 75%? I don't think you will find many supporters of this plan.

You know, I hear millenarian hyperbole like this all the time, and frankly it bothers me. The solution is already staring us in the face and it doesn't involve murder.

Countries with access to birth control and education for women and girls and employment for women and girls end up with negative birth rates. Look at Japan, their population is shrinking fast. Even the USA has a negative birthrate, population only increases here because of immigration. In 2015 our rate was at 1.85 so like the population is something that can be fixed with policies that don't depend on massive wars or genocide or whatever. Give women control over their lives and their bodies and they'll decide how many kids they want to have, and it's going to be a low number.

[sendler]

Planned parenthood is critical across all nations. Any politician that speaks against this should immediately be considered a non-starter during any upcoming election. I will be very unhappy if they elect anyone like Roy Moore. I think I will donate to any campaign that would run against him.

[oil pan 4]

I say offer people immunity and commuting of sentences to all drug charges in exchange for sterilization.
Probably solve at least 70% of societies problems in a generation.
Probably reduce the numbers of abortions by half to 2/3.

My thing on abortion is if you don't like them, don't get one.
If the left wants to celebrate killing their unborn as a right, uhmmm let them. Best deal ever far as I'm concerned.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I re-viewed it.

You and I are apparently the only ones who could be bothered.

Originally Posted by freebeard

I'm seeing a grasp of the significance of the end of 'free' energy from carbon, but no actionable items.

Nate is featuring the education aspect of the broad implications of our economy and population explosion being tied 1:1 with fossil fuel energy consumption. Which most people, including nation leading economists, have never realized. He is actually also very heavy into the evolutionary psychology of mass consumption in his university course which I am taking. As an explanation to why we are driven by 200,000 years of evolution to wreck the place and can't stop.
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He intentionally stays away from going to far in suggesting specific solutions in order not to jepardize the the opportunity that he has now to educate us all in forward thinking.
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I on the other hand do not have to maintain staus in the establishment so am free to speak my mind. Much better equiped now that I have read Hagens, Murphy, Saba, Whybrow, ect.
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With a goal toward a sutainable human civilization on planet Earth for the next 200 Million years.
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Think forward.

[sendler]

Planned Parenthood offers many proactive solutions such as education and contraception.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I say offer people immunity and commuting of sentences to all drug charges in exchange for sterilization.
Probably solve at least 70% of societies problems in a generation.
Probably reduce the numbers of abortions by half to 2/3.

My thing on abortion is if you don't like them, don't get one.
If the left wants to celebrate killing their unborn as a right, uhmmm let them. Best deal ever far as I'm concerned.

Ah but sterilization is a dirty word, cruel and unusual

There are other nations that sterilize for specific reasons and sometimes within specific populations (im looking mainly at certain males, you know who they are)

Bearing children should be a privilege earned or lost but it's a very slippery slope.

But I agree, there are groups with blatant disregard that sterilization should be the penalty, since male sterilization is reversesble perhaps we need to go down that road, no more teen pregnancy. :0

Our society isn't mature enough to be capable of thinking in the old tribal way of breeders and non breeders.
Any mention of such things bring up images of old sci fI and extreme prejudice .

That said countries like Cuba and North Korea are case studies in what to do and what not to do in terms of "what happens when there isn't enough oil for nitrogen fertilizer "
Cuba has been down the road we fear and did not loose 75% of the population

I do not think we are mature enough to capable of even bringing up this issue and rationally talking about it though.

[freebeard]

sendler —

Reproduction and demographics operate too slowly. What is needed is some refinement of intellect to lofty heights, but across the board. SF author David Brin would call it 'uplifting', but he focuses on chimpanzees and dolphins. How this might happen is concerning. Persusasion is Okay but mass hypnosis mind control is not. Brain implants?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeralization

Ephemeralization, a term coined by R. Buckminster Fuller, is the ability of technological advancement to do "more and more with less and less until eventually you can do everything with nothing," that is, an accelerating increase in the efficiency of achieving the same or more output (products, services, information, etc.) while requiring less input (effort, time, resources, etc.).[1] Fuller's vision was that ephemeralization will result in ever-increasing standards of living for an ever-growing population despite finite resources.

Self-organizing frictionless systems could decimate energy requirements of the current (and future) population.