The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Yet, any help, however small, is a benefit.

Here's mine:

The better batteries get, the less reason to mount PV panels on cars.

The better (conformable, high-efficiency) PV panels get, the more opportunity to feed the better batteries.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by All Darc

There is no way there is less than 10,800 pounds on those axles. Unless the inside of the house is bare.

[freebeard]

Lay the finish materials in a bed of sand and spray it with polyurethane foam to make wall panels, and make the roof with foam carved with an angle grinder to look like thatch.

I doubt they did that.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Redistribution of wealth scam.
So give more money to people who already effectively pay almost 0 taxes as it is. Sounds like vote buying to me.
I already drive an electric incase this kind of stupidity gets signed into law.

When the government say we will take your money, hold on to it for a little while then give it right back and everything will get better. It's a trap.

I'll be the last to know.
The friendly folks with the IPCC figure that we're looking at $54-trillion in climate-related losses,between now,and 2040.
That's an average of $2.454-trillion a year.
They're talking $27,000 /ton carbon tax,by 2100.
That would be $13.5/lb,or $265.95/gallon,for liquid fuels.(in 2100 dollars?)
And it's interesting that the party,most associated with denial,is the one who's sponsoring the legislation the most.
My SWAG,is that fossil fuel is going to end up like Asbestos,with a carbon trust,numbering in the trillions of dollars,in class-action lawsuits,as we now see for Mesothelioma,and some of Astra-Zeneca's Type-2 Diabetes drugs,which give the users genital gangrene (Global Climax Change).
Taxing the US population is a structural feature of the Republic and Constitution,and government is the only thing 'big' enough to deal with problems on the scale of climate change.
73% of the 'denial' party 'privately' agrees that global climate change is real,that it's happening now,and that it's anthropogenicly driven.
We're gonna see how it goes.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

That's the spirit, but IMHO this is more viable:


greencarreports.com:Classic 1966 VW Bus With Green Drivetrain: Solar-Powered Electric Motor

The earlier model bumpers and Chrome Jackman wheels are nice, but it needs an overall rake, curved solar panels and a Luigi Colani undertray to the panel array.

Around town would be okay,but for the highway I'd have to give a thumbs down.
Unless it was modded.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

You can prolly get the Chevy and the house for what the bus would go for nowadays.

If you have money Tesla can sell you all three pieces, the roof, the car and the Powerwall.

edit:
Some time back the subject drifted to energy storage. I don't recall if I mentioned it at the time, but I was thinking that a valid use case for Elon Musk's Hyperloop woul be for energy storage. So here's what I'd characterize as a hubless flywheel, the Terraloop;

It turns out [11:40] that the Coriolis effect isn't an engineering hurdle.

Some flywheel storage research ended with bearing failures,and the flywheel tearing itself off its roost,hurtling around uncontrollably,destroying everything in it's path until all the kinetic energy was spent.
For this reason,Chrysler Corp. quietly abandoned their Patriot,Indycar program.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

The STELLA car is amazing, but it is waaaay too expensive: the two super efficient hub motors cost about $30k each.

Most homes can have much more than 900-1000 watts of solar, which is what is on the STELLA car - and on a building, solar panels can be MUCH more productive, because they are fixed. On the car, they would be in shadow a lot of the time.

In Goro Tamai's,'The Leading Edge',one of the winning strategies for the solar racers,was to charge the car with an off-the-car array,then just race off of battery power,cutting frontal area,weight,and drag to the bone.
The only hitch was cloud cover during scheduled charging,which would be completely mitigated with a grid-tie PV system.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I'll be the last to know.
The friendly folks with the IPCC figure that we're looking at $54-trillion in climate-related losses,between now,and 2040.
That's an average of $2.454-trillion a year.
They're talking $27,000 /ton carbon tax,by 2100.
That would be $13.5/lb,or $265.95/gallon,for liquid fuels.(in 2100 dollars?)
And it's interesting that the party,most associated with denial,is the one who's sponsoring the legislation the most.
My SWAG,is that fossil fuel is going to end up like Asbestos,with a carbon trust,numbering in the trillions of dollars,in class-action lawsuits,as we now see for Mesothelioma,and some of Astra-Zeneca's Type-2 Diabetes drugs,which give the users genital gangrene (Global Climax Change).
Taxing the US population is a structural feature of the Republic and Constitution,and government is the only thing 'big' enough to deal with problems on the scale of climate change.
73% of the 'denial' party 'privately' agrees that global climate change is real,that it's happening now,and that it's anthropogenicly driven.
We're gonna see how it goes.

Luckily that will probably never happen.

[aerohead]

GOOGLED Wholesale Power and got an EIA site,which covered Average peak day-ahead wholesale electricity price for MWh and MMBtu.
For 2017,prices off the major wholesale power hubs ranged from 3.4-cents/ kWh,to 77-cents/kWh for summer heat,peak load,1-hour rate.
They have an updated graph which parses out who generated what on a percentage basis.
These are only for wholesale purchases by energy providers.
Quite a spread!

[All Darc]

Exactly !!!

And with low weight and low drag, you don't need much batteries. And with the solar panel, in huge area, in a low weight car, being relevant due these condition as you said, the solar panel saves the need of a lot of batteries, since the solar output will be relevant for such car.

And this indian solar car will probably much affordable :

Originally Posted by RedDevil

If solar is cheap, light and robust enough to apply to the roof of an EV - why not? It can help keep the car cool in summer, it can prevent bricking the battery when the car isn't used for a long time. But it won't have a big effect on range.
Yet, any help, however small, is a benefit.

Stella Vie is super light and has a gigantic solar panel. Therefore it can potentially run hundreds of miles a day on solar alone. If your car has 4 times the drag and a quarter of the area at half the PV efficiency, only about 10 added miles remain.

The better batteries get, the less reason to mount PV panels on cars.