The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

No, conventional power generation is the single greatest form of power generation humanity has ever experienced; not even close to any other methods.

The "cost" has been improved life expectancy, wealth, knowledge, education... every measurable way of calculating human well-being.

Perhaps there is a future cost to pay, but it's unclear when those costs outweigh the mighty benefits now. From the 1 article I linked, scientific evidence suggests the cost of global warming will exceed the benefits sometime around 2080.

This is where I hit an intellectual wall.
It seems that economists and actuaries missed a few things with their models,only to put even more people at risk now.
We grew a massive population up only to deny them a viable planet.
2018 is credited for $300-billion in climate-related losses.
There will be a point where the reinsurance industry throws their hands up and tells the insurance companies to go fish.
FEMA will close shop.There won't be anymore federal disaster relief.1st-responders will say !adios!
There's no certainty as to the timeline,but there's a whole lotta rumblin' goin' on out there.

[All Darc]

Looks like a very good deal
Bargain for 3KW solar array :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3KW-10-x-30...-/173780116110

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I'd love to purchase solar, wind, insulation, quad-pane windows,and doors at cost,with no middlemen,advertising costs,manufactured with profit-less,wholesale power,from publicly-owned providers,on a publicly-owned grid,for mills per kWh.

Lol, I'd like to see anything at all get done when there's zero accountability and zero profit motive.

[oil pan 4]

I think compared to being in the dark and in the cold on a winter night or burning up on a hot summer day nuclear will be a great option.
Just go with out any electricity for 2 days that will change people's minds real quick.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

This is where I hit an intellectual wall.
It seems that economists and actuaries missed a few things with their models,only to put even more people at risk now.
We grew a massive population up only to deny them a viable planet.
2018 is credited for $300-billion in climate-related losses.
There will be a point where the reinsurance industry throws their hands up and tells the insurance companies to go fish.
FEMA will close shop.There won't be anymore federal disaster relief.1st-responders will say !adios!

What were the profits due to global warming? Where can I look that data up?

Until population decreases due to increased deaths (as opposed to decreased births), the evidence just isn't there. FEMA probably should go away. People shouldn't be insulated from the risk of building their homes below sea level, or in flood or tornado prone areas. People have the right to buy the level of insurance they are comfortable with. It's up to insurance actuaries to calculate the risk.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

She was also unfortunately Reagan's partner in promoting the short sighted (on geologic time scales) globalized neoclassical big growth economic system that is pressing us now.

Was that Milton Friedman's era?

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Seems like progress and prosperity has been the problem.These are conceptual constructions which do not reside outside the minds of man.
An incomparably larger universe exists than meets the eye of the capitalist.
It may be the chimeras of economic fantasy which ultimately unhinge the material world.

Which contains the other? Isn't it more likely the material world will ultimately unhinge the economic fantasy?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Did any one see the dead on arrival Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez new green deal Web site before it was taken down?
Appears she got so much heat from her own dems over it they are going to have to do a revamp.
The Democrats couldn't even pass a sensible by compairson "carbon tax and cap" bill with the super majority in both houses.
What makes them think a way more extreme verson will ever pass?
One of the more extreme points was to provide economic security for people unwilling to work.

They want zero CO2 power generation, transportation and agriculture.
Well anyone who has ever been formally educated in any kind of power generation knows that's not going to happen.
And they will not build any additional nuclear power plants under this plan.
About 1/3 of the energy the United States consumes goes to transportation.
Eliminating all CO2 from agricultural sounds like a good way to starve a few million people to death.

So they want to replace all energy going on the power grid with renewables and replace all transportation with electric with out using nuclear power.
That's their plan. That means they dont have a plan or have any clue how they are going to do it besides not build any additional nuclear power plants. All the nuclear plants in the country couldn't even power the transportation used in the US. This is unprecedented stupidity.
Even CNBC says that nuclear power plants generate 2/3 of the carbon free electricity used in the United states.
It's not like we are going to run out of fissile fuel, there is enough depleted uranium sitting in ID to power the United States for about 700 years. Maybe by the time it runs out nuclear fusion will work.

I truly believe that they mean well.They may possess no more climate-related education then the next guy on the street.Don't know.
They'd want to surround themselves with the smartest people available for all the specifics.
The impossible takes a little longer,we'll have to see where all this goes.
You might write to them and offer your expertise.Show 'em how the cow eats the cabbage.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redneck

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Thatcher realized that she was duped on AGW and wanted to go on record accordingly in her book that she made an error, a hugh error.

She accurately points out that this is more about politics than science and that it provides a excuse for Supra-National Socialism .



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her “New Green Deal” proves,,,, she was right.




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The problem is global,so a supranational clearing house,like the Allied Forces,Lend-Lease,Super-Lend-Lease,and the Marshall Plan worked out in WW-II.
The United States has nationalized railroads,the steel industry,sent military troops into the oilfields,suspended habius corpus.
Today we remain the beneficiaries of socialist programs instituted before and during the Great Depression,when Wall St. and all the economists destroyed our economy.
When you call 911,that's socialism when the Police or Fire Dept. arrive.When you drive on an interstate highway.Use an airport.Bring your offshore products into a US port.Use the Panama Canal.National parks.Go to Hawaii.Puerto Rico.Phillipines.Guam.US Virgin Islands.Louisiana Purchase.Gadsden Purchase.Alaska.Safe food.Drugs.Water supply.Radio for Coast Guard assistance.Get a weather forecast.Building standards.Plumbing standards.Pentagon.BLM.US Forest Service.Electrical standards.Homeland security.CIA.NRO.NSA.Gamble in Las Vegas with hydroelectric power from 56-federal hydroelectric dams.The internet.Satellites.The list is endless.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Our progressives setting them selves up to lose in 2020.
They have alienated about 80 to 90% of Americans with their environmental lunacy.
No one is on board with banning cars and air travel.

The other night on the news they mentioned that NASA/NOAA said that the last 4-years were the hottest ever recorded,and 20-out of the last 22-years are the warmest.
In the last 30-years,more people have died from heat-related deaths than from any other weather-related cause.
Between 2015 and 2017,heat-related deaths were up 82%.
In the summer of 2017,Maricopa,County,Arizona,alone, saw 182 heat-related deaths,1,720-hospitalizations,and 6,880 emergency room visits.
By 2030 an additional 250,000/year are expected to die from heat-related causes.