The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I don't care for the product.I can get unfiltered data.

It's curious that you see a product rather than a process. I'd compare S0 to other news aggregators, like Slashdot. It provides access to the latest satellite imagery, as from GOES16.

While I see you quoting 20-year-old print material.

Also, I hope no-one objects to me using my diesel block heater.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I get it alright, there is no need to be patronising.

I would suggest that it's you who doesn't get it. If you're truly interested in efficiency you wouldn't be wasting resources on 'comfort'. Expending resources, no matter how minor, on something that is not essential is not efficient - it's frivolous. Each time we do so we bring closer the day when the resources will no longer exist to be used on genuinely useful stuff.

I spend zero on preheating a car cabin in the name of comfort by simply putting it away when its not in use, and then dressing appropriately for the Winter weather when venturing forth. Minus high teens Celsius is quite common in the Winter here, so the challenges faced by myself are comparable, and I do just dandy without wasting a joule of energy. I've addressed the problem, not the symptom.

If you're genuinely interested in efficiency then I challenge you to better that, or to at least make an effort to match it. Using precious energy to pre heat a cars cabin, no matter how cunningly the task is approached, is not efficient - its wasteful, and there is simply no other way to describe it with out being disingenuous.

Better still, look at the journey being considered before even preheating a car. Can it be walked or achieved by other means? Is it necessary to use a xxxx-kg car with 3 or 4 empty seats in the first place? When you start thinking along those lines, then you'll genuinely start to be using resources efficiently.



Ah, I see you've met them

The USA's use of 'Oxycarbon',a non-listed Schedule-II narcotic, has inhibited executive control function of the prefrontal cortex in the general population; since Edwin Drake completed his first oil well in Titusville,Pennsylvania,during the 19th century.
We've operated solely on our triune brains ever since.
The dopamine response triggered by carbon dioxide is so powerful,that it has locked us into an endless cycle of,see carbon,burn carbon.
It's nearly impossible for an American to even consider a physical activity divorced from the combustion of hydrocarbons.
Present-day physicians remain openly surprised by the absence of vestigial tailpipes on newborn infants.
Truly a World Heritage Site for the High Church of Entropy!

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I get it alright, there is no need to be patronising.

I would suggest that it's you who doesn't get it. If you're truly interested in efficiency you wouldn't be wasting resources on 'comfort'. Expending resources, no matter how minor, on something that is not essential is not efficient - it's frivolous. Each time we do so we bring closer the day when the resources will no longer exist to be used on genuinely useful stuff.

If you're genuinely interested in efficiency then I challenge you to better that, or to at least make an effort to match it. Using precious energy to pre heat a cars cabin, no matter how cunningly the task is approached, is not efficient - its wasteful, and there is simply no other way to describe it with out being disingenuous.

Better still, look at the journey being considered before even preheating a car. Can it be walked or achieved by other means? Is it necessary to use a xxxx-kg car with 3 or 4 empty seats in the first place? When you start thinking along those lines, then you'll genuinely start to be using resources efficiently.

Kindness is not something I concern myself with, but instead truthfulness, so I'm not sure patronizing much describes my behavior.

Everything we do is in vain, and therefore everything we do is frivolous.

The Green Religion is just like any other; predicting damnation unless one adheres to the strict code of conduct, shaming those who don't, and achieving the highest level of piety.

I'm not interested in that, and most people aren't. That was my point.

Suggesting that one might be able to bundle up rather than warm the cabin of their vehicle is perfectly reasonable, along with all the other suggestions for conserving resources.

Feigning surprise that most people aren't interested in driving in unheated vehicles, and attempting to shame and guilt them is absurd and ineffective except to gain personal piety points.

I use well below the average energy per capita compared to my peers, and spend well below my means. It doesn't make me better in any way. That said, I have relationships with others that doesn't permit me to keep my home at 2 degrees C in the winter, or insist their time is better spent walking to get groceries rather than drive (I've been Segwaying lately).

We were talking about water saving. I suggested the benefits of going outside, but I don't begrudge anyone that prefers to use a toilet.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

It's curious that you see a product rather than a process. I'd compare S0 to other news aggregators, like Slashdot. It provides access to the latest satellite imagery, as from GOES16.

While I see you quoting 20-year-old print material.

Also, I hope no-one objects to me using my diesel block heater.

*I'd just go to NASA,JPL,or CalTech,etc..
*The 20-yr-old material is from the professional journals,with original letters and papers,in the hand of the actual research teams.Their references create a valuable timeline in the evolution of each discipline.They also cover the mistakes,debates,controversy,and weaknesses caught by the referees.I don't know where else you'd ever see that sort of thing.
We learn where they've been,and where they're heading with future research.
Also,we learn noted individuals,and their research organizations involved in all the interdisciplinary work,worldwide,contributing to the IPCC reports.It's a very efficient way to get acquainted.
Without this knowledge,it's impossible to know,whether or not some claim hasn't already been investigated.
Current publications are keeping abreast of new research.The older stuff fills in the blanks.No scientists would operate without it.
*The block-heater's a good idea.If you were doing it here,it would be carbon free.
PS the Suspicious Observer is a for-profit business,yes? And perhaps things get on there,that might not be welcome in a professional journal?

[freebeard]

PS the Suspicious Observer is a for-profit business,yes? And perhaps things get on there,that might not be welcome in a professional journal?

Profit bad? I don't know, I'd be more concerned about them using smart phones to achieve their goals.

"Perhaps"? The papers cited for today (provided at no cost to everyone on Youtube):

Electroquake in Greece: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.11015.pdf
Planets and Solar Flares: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.10703.pdf
SALT Sees Hypervelocity Star: https://www.salt.ac.za/news/salt-chas...
Hubble Re-opens its Eyes: http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hvi/uplo...

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Profit bad? I don't know, I'd be more concerned about them using smart phones to achieve their goals.

"Perhaps"? The papers cited for today (provided at no cost to everyone on Youtube):

I'd still prefer the journal.They hit you with a brief,baby version (a few paragraphs).If you're still interested,they'll be a peer-reviewed 1-2 page 'Reader's Digest' version by a referee;then if you're hooked,you can go ahead with the full paper.
It moves pretty quickly.
The referee function is quite valuable,as they can flag,and illustrate weaknesses they've found in the presentations,and offer professional insights and recommendations to the reader.
In following issues,they'll cover retractions,corrections,etc.,if they discover mistakes after the fact.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The electrician is coming Friday to give me a quote on putting in the second meter for the solar panels.

If I own land, clean up said land, haul tons of junk to the scrap yard to be recycled, plant trees on that land, drive an electric vehicle, use renewable solid fuel heating and put in solar panels but I'm one of those evil denyers who wants to trash the environment, then what does that make the landless, non tree planting, gas car driving believers?
Asking for a friend.
I'm leaning towards useful idiot hypocrites.

You're doing great, nobody will deny that.
You have full permission to say things that aren't true.

[freebeard]

Today on Slashdot:

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/.../more-than-40-percent-of-world-coal-plants-are-unprofitable-says-report

https://science.slashdot.org/story/.../shocking-maps-show-how-humans-have-reshaped-earth-since-1992

In other news, Turns Out Mitochondria Can Come From Fathers Too (popularmechanics.com) and Automakers Give the Chinese Government Access To Location Data of Electric Cars (theverge.com). News for nerds. stuff that matters.

[aerohead]

freebeard,I had time to look at some of your references at S.O. and Slashdot.
It's good stuff!
Online journals are the way I suppose.
I'll enjoy my paper while I have it though.
(what do you expect from a troglodyte with a single synapse?)
Thanks for sharing.

[Xist]

Can you guys believe we almost have a hundred pages of whatever this topic is supposed to be?

Or if you have not changed the number of posts per page, I guess we already have hundreds.

Will #4,000 be "Thread closed. Get a life?"

Anyway, this is probably off-topic. Imagine how that makes me feel. Do you guys remember some weirdo ranting about LCD screens? I was watching this video while trying to impress the ladies with my knowledge of international shoe size conversions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD_xsYCCawE

About 1:15 in: "It mentions HDTV causing delays and to set your TV to game mode."

I sought and I found: https://www.tested.com/forums/pc-and...o-tv-via-hdmi/

Normally the TV takes the signal from the cable, massages it to make it look 'nicer'; applies your current settings for colour temperature, contrast, brightness, etc; resizes it to the actual pixel scale of the screen (if required) with the nicest resize algorithm it can muster; and then outputs it to the screen. And if that all takes 50+ ms then who cares[?]

So, would Game Mode be as fast as a CRT?