The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

They don't mean well. It's a power grab pure and simple.
I believe you can't fix stupid and these people have gone full retard. My time would be better spent cutting fire wood rather than try and tell them about something that they clearly can't even begin to comprehend.

Irrational,non-linear,incoherence won't win the day.
A visit to a neurophysiologist might be in order.
Perhaps the R-complex inhibition mechanism has been compromised and short-circuiting across the corpus callosum,affecting suppression of left-hemisperic dynamics.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by sendler

This is why the world finds it impossible to reduce fossil energy consumption thus far despite three decades of acknowledgement and world agreements. To do so unilaterally places your country or region at a competitive disadvantage in the free market. So in order to be fair, everyone in the world has to be all in at once according to their abilities.

So, how does the US compare to Europe in that?
Who do you think is trying harder to reduce emissions?

There is no time to waste and no use griping over those who don't pull their weight. Even if it means we have to try to save the planet alone. We rather had the US on board, but hey.

[freebeard]

Via sendler

The economic transition must involve efforts “to lower total energy use.” But capitalist markets will not be capable of facilitating the required changes — governments will need to step up, and institutions will need to actively shape markets to fit the goals of human survival.

But the problem is the institutions influence the markets already, but not to fit the goal
of human (or insect!) survival. Pesticides (looking at you Round-Up friendly GMOs) appear to be the killshot.

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

DYKSTRA: That's right, Arrhenius was also involved in researching the Northern Lights, the aurora borealis, and he won the third ever Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on electrical conductivity. Happy 160, Svante Arrhenius!

He worked in the same field as another Nobel prize winner, Hannes Alfven.

Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén was a Swedish electrical engineer, plasma physicist and winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on magnetohydrodynamics. He described the class of MHD waves now known as Alfvén waves. More at Wikipedia

Alfven waves are fundamental to the Electric Universe theory.

Originally Posted by aerohead

I recommend having that lateral intraparietal cortex looked at.

Harsh. Redneck and Oil Pan 4 don't escape either. Mind reading is one thing, but [uncredentialed] diagnosis at a distance is an entirely other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#Early_socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase

Louisiana Purchase 1803 is prior to the Paris Commune in 1848.

[RedDevil]

It isn't the heat that kills people. It is dengue, malaria, etc. Aggravated by the new marshes forming over partly submerged and deserted coastal areas.

[redpoint5]

Ah, so people dying of disease is at an all time high?

[RedDevil]

Yes, of course.
While the trend in infectious disease mortality may be slowly declining in the US and Europe, it is on the rise in Africa and Asia; mainly due to population expansion, but also by building resistance to pest control, political instability and so on.
And the changing climate.
Rising temperatures allow the spread northwards of the yellow fever mosquito and the tiger mosquito and other pests.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Via sendler


But the problem is the institutions influence the markets already, but not to fit the goal
of human (or insect!) survival. Pesticides (looking at you Round-Up friendly GMOs) appear to be the killshot.



He worked in the same field as another Nobel prize winner, Hannes Alfven.



Alfven waves are fundamental to the Electric Universe theory.



Harsh. Redneck and Oil Pan 4 don't escape either. Mind reading is one thing, but [uncredentialed] diagnosis at a distance is an entirely other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#Early_socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase

Louisiana Purchase 1803 is prior to the Paris Commune in 1848.

The pursuit of climate-related information has intersected with neuroscience at times,and many messengers have, and continue to point to developmental and structural neurological anomalies and mechanisms within the population, germane to the cognitive dissonance,often exhibited in association with observations and comments made by some.
I've been observing repeating patterns of commentary for months now,which causes me to wonder if I'm witnessing analogues to conditions reported by others.
It's been determined that critical thinking is not a given,and even though all humans have (had) the facility to acquire certain knowledge,it's no
guarantee that they'll acquire it.
I feel like I'm experiencing an intellectual cul-de-sac,when some continue to regurgitate the same arguments over and over,which belie a lack of self-critical introspection,devoid of any apparent attempt to self-diagnose fault,which Richard Feynman insisted all would-be scientists undergo.It's a failure of scientific thinking.
There's some blind faith in the supremacy of economic arguments against climate policy proposals,which presupposes superior mastery of climate science knowledge on the part of economists.
Their arguments would necessitate exhibits of supra-climate science-knowledge-based prima facie evidence.
With these certain particulars,the arguments would certainly fall in favor of economists.
Should that be the case,then the entire blame and responsibility for global climate change would fall squarely on the shoulders of economists.Knowledge of last resort.
And it would be incumbent upon the economics community to bear the cost of reparations to those who've suffered loss of life ,property,and pursuit of happiness,since 1958.
If,on inspection,economists were found lacking the certain particulars to prove their arguments,then perhaps it would be prudent to defer to the scientific community for matters concerning science-related policy.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Hence the reason we should replace coal with nuclear.
Doing anything besides that is a waste of time and money.
There is a simple way to extract CO2, it's called plants.

Perhaps you could volunteer time and recommendations for the World Nuclear Association.

[redpoint5]

I should have more specifically said, we should see infectious disease on the rise. Hard to find that info, but it looks like malaria is killing fewer people over time.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I should have more specifically said, we should see infectious disease on the rise. Hard to find that info, but it looks like malaria is killing fewer people over time.

Perhaps malaria-impacted regional community health services have not been idle since around 2003.