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Old 12-05-2018, 09:40 PM   #3951 (permalink)
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With a pointless carbon tax millions more would be going to bed hungry and cold.
About half of people in the US live paycheck to paycheck in the US. Even if these people own their own home they aren't going to shell out money they don't have to put in energy efficient windows or upgrade working appliances with ones that use less power.
Where is the incentive for people who rent to get energy efficient appliances?
Plus if these people are further carbon taxed to the brink how are they going to afford all the more efficient stuff like rewiring their house if they own one for a 240v circuit for a car charger?
The current nuclear situation we can thank Obama for. He quietly restarted the US nuclear fuel recycling program back around 2014 and the government was recycling fuel again sometime in 2015 or 2016. Turns out he wasn't as dumb as he looks. Strangle not a peep from the media on this. Just imagine if trump pushed for the nuclear fuel recycling restart. The media would have a field day.

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9:00 am: "My fellow Americans, effective immediately, all coal and natural gas plants will be shut down in order to save the planet. Thank you."
9:10 am: The President is impeached with 100% of votes in favor.

Oh wait, no, you need to declare a state of emergency, marshall law, and force all of the plants to close. Yeah, that will work, for the duration of the emergency, but you had better suspend elections until the emergency has passed.

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All crime legal.
Seriously how many people are ready for a grid down all crime legal situation?

Want to see what life with out fossil fuels is going to be like?
Go switch your main panel breaker to off and see how long you can last.
Probably should turn off the water too because the six inch 100hp utility water pumps are powered by evil fossil fuel too.
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CO2 emissions on the rise again.
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The CO2 emissions in the US are probably in the rise because it's been so freaking cold.

The only effective technology humans have that can reduce CO2 and feed our energy hungry life is nuclear power.
Until governments start encouraging nuclear power to replace coal nothing is going to change.
Taxing carbon so people use less obviously isn't effective.
It doesn't work on paper and hasn't worked in real life.
You can say I told you so. You're welcome.

3 years of declining temperatures, glaciers in Greenland growing for the first time in 30 years, where all the belivers be at?
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And we are headed for a Solar super grand minimum for the next two cycles, peaking (troughing) in 2032 the last of which was the -1C shift of the little ice age.
 
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The only effective technology humans have that can reduce CO2 and feed our energy hungry life is nuclear power.
Until governments start encouraging nuclear power to replace coal nothing is going to change.
Taxing carbon so people use less obviously isn't effective.
Once again, biochar is a viable alternative.

I was watching what happens when taxes are used to control behavior in France.

If they can recast Anthropogenic Global Warming as 'climate change', why can't they recast 'climate change' as Consumptive Intentions? Because it's the individual choices of myriad peoples that is greening the planet.
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Economy and CO2 are closely linked.
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Hah, same argument I'm having on the Chevy Bolt forum, with a similar graph. I've basically stated that given current technology, the only 2 ways to drastically reduce CO2 is:

1. Reduce global wealth
2. Reduce global population

Neither sounds particularly appealing, though both are likely inevitable.

There's a chance that future technologies can be leveraged to soften the blow to reduced fossil fuel consumption, but it's still a blow, not energy so cheap that we profit from it like the Greenies want you to believe.

As I've said, and NOBODY has countered; my utility allows me to pay extra to support renewable energy. If it were cheaper, they would invite me to pay less for it. How then is renewables cheaper if it's not? If you can't counter this simple criticism, the proclamation of renewables being cheaper is misinformation/ignorance at best, and a lie at worst.

Best case scenario: technology makes extremely cheap and green energy available to all. Now resources can be extracted at nearly zero marginal cost. An even worse problem then exists in that there are practically no controls to mineral extraction and consumption of physical resources. Consumerism goes on steroids compared to the fantastic spending we're already seeing today.

So the best case scenario is merely creating a Frankenstein monster more pernicious than the one it solved.

Alright, I'm an optimist at heart, so I don't actually believe it will be as terrible as this, but the solutions are nowhere that I can see on the horizon. The human species will need to continue their extremely good fortune going forward, as the problems only become more challenging as time goes on.
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Best case scenario: technology makes extremely cheap and green energy available to all. Now resources can be extracted at nearly zero marginal cost. An even worse problem then exists in that there are practically no controls to mineral extraction and consumption of physical resources. Consumerism goes on steroids compared to the fantastic spending we're already seeing today.
This is what Hagens has said about wishfully thinking of a Star Trek future where something like unlimited fusion energy becomes available. Which would only serve to let us grow the human amoeba even larger and faster to scoop up the remaining non renewable resources to the end even sooner.
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Coming up with a whole new economic system which can function on degrowth will be the only viable solution to soften the inevitable collapse. We are already several decades into overshoot.

 
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