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Old 12-05-2018, 04:21 PM   #3951 (permalink)
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It is funny how when the price of gas goes up because the market raises the price no one rots, but if the government raises the price on carbon people do? I will grant you people need assistance transitioning away from carbon emissions but we need to do it. Given a choice between wrecking the economy or wrecking the planet we will end up wrecking both if we choose only economics.

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Old 12-05-2018, 05:39 PM   #3952 (permalink)
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Not forcing the proletariat to use a little less.

The believers think that the answer to saving the world lies in big government forcing change at the bottom.
That's how a fascist or communist accomplishes things and it usually never works.
The premise of R. B. Fuller's Design Science Revolution was that tearing down the top always fails, but engineered solutions can raise the standard of living for all so nobody has to lose. The richest person on the planet didn't have a computer in their pocket a hundred years ago, now everybody does.

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I did this voluntarily in 1974 and it's paid me tax-free dividends ever since.
What I did was about housing. Built this on the Oregon coast in 1980:


Did I mention that when the wind blew 100mph, it didn't whistle or moan? Quiet as a Mercedes at 100mph.

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zerohedge.com:Socialist Ocasio-Cortez Slams Musk And Tesla For Not Providing A "Return On Investment" To Taxpayers

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She continued: "For far too long, we gave money to Tesla, we gave money to a ton of people and we got no return on our investment that the public made in creating technologies, and itís about time we get our due because itís the public that funded and financed a lot of innovative technologies." One wonders what she would say about Solyndra, assuming she has even heard of the "revolutionary" and now defunct company.
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:40 PM   #3953 (permalink)
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With a pointless carbon tax millions more would be going to bed hungry and cold.
About half of people in the US live paycheck to paycheck in the US. Even if these people own their own home they aren't going to shell out money they don't have to put in energy efficient windows or upgrade working appliances with ones that use less power.
Where is the incentive for people who rent to get energy efficient appliances?
Plus if these people are further carbon taxed to the brink how are they going to afford all the more efficient stuff like rewiring their house if they own one for a 240v circuit for a car charger?
The current nuclear situation we can thank Obama for. He quietly restarted the US nuclear fuel recycling program back around 2014 and the government was recycling fuel again sometime in 2015 or 2016. Turns out he wasn't as dumb as he looks. Strangle not a peep from the media on this. Just imagine if trump pushed for the nuclear fuel recycling restart. The media would have a field day.
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9:00 am: "My fellow Americans, effective immediately, all coal and natural gas plants will be shut down in order to save the planet. Thank you."
9:10 am: The President is impeached with 100% of votes in favor.

Oh wait, no, you need to declare a state of emergency, marshall law, and force all of the plants to close. Yeah, that will work, for the duration of the emergency, but you had better suspend elections until the emergency has passed.

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All crime legal.
Seriously how many people are ready for a grid down all crime legal situation?

Want to see what life with out fossil fuels is going to be like?
Go switch your main panel breaker to off and see how long you can last.
Probably should turn off the water too because the six inch 100hp utility water pumps are powered by evil fossil fuel too.
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CO2 emissions on the rise again.
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The CO2 emissions in the US are probably in the rise because it's been so freaking cold.

The only effective technology humans have that can reduce CO2 and feed our energy hungry life is nuclear power.
Until governments start encouraging nuclear power to replace coal nothing is going to change.
Taxing carbon so people use less obviously isn't effective.
It doesn't work on paper and hasn't worked in real life.
You can say I told you so. You're welcome.

3 years of declining temperatures, glaciers in Greenland growing for the first time in 30 years, where all the belivers be at?
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And we are headed for a Solar super grand minimum for the next two cycles, peaking (troughing) in 2032 the last of which was the -1C shift of the little ice age.
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The only effective technology humans have that can reduce CO2 and feed our energy hungry life is nuclear power.
Until governments start encouraging nuclear power to replace coal nothing is going to change.
Taxing carbon so people use less obviously isn't effective.
Once again, biochar is a viable alternative.

I was watching what happens when taxes are used to control behavior in France.

If they can recast Anthropogenic Global Warming as 'climate change', why can't they recast 'climate change' as Consumptive Intentions? Because it's the individual choices of myriad peoples that is greening the planet.
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Economy and CO2 are closely linked.
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