The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by DDG

Quote by Steve Perry: "People are dumb, panicky, dangerous ...
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/774...nd-you-know-it
"People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and 15 minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.". ― Steve Perry, Men In Black

.

[RedDevil]

We just recorded the hottest day ever in the Netherlands, at 39.3 degrees Celsius.
The 1944 record (38.6) has just not been broken several times over the last decade, but now it was beaten with a margin in many places in the southeast.

This record won't stand long though. Forecast for tomorrow is 1 degree on top of today.

[redpoint5]

It might break 80 F here today. This is easily the coolest summer I can remember. Should be in the high 90s now, but we haven't even broken 90 yet this year.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

We just recorded the hottest day ever in the Netherlands, at 39.3 degrees Celsius.
The 1944 record (38.6) has jus not been broken several times over the last decade, but now it was beaten with a margin in many places in the southeast.

This record won't stand long though. Forecast for tomorrow is 1 degree on top of today.

The satellite image shows an enormous stationary,clockwise rotation in the Atlantic,with the air coming off the Sahara,and just rotating around,and slamming into Northern Europe.
I stayed a few nights in Haarlem back in April of 1997.There was no air conditioning.The snows had ended two weeks before I got there.It was great! It's hard to imagine 39.3-C. Especially pedaling a bicycle down to the central train station every day,to go to work.I'd have to jump into one of the canals!

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

It might break 80 F here today. This is easily the coolest summer I can remember. Should be in the high 90s now, but we haven't even broken 90 yet this year.

Do you get the humidity there? Last time I was in Oregon I was a little kid.We went to the World's Fair in Seattle.My parents had friends from Los Angeles,who'd bailed,and ended up with a ranch/farm,along a snow-melt river which bordered their property.Other than getting chased across a field by their prized bull,it was a great experience.My oldest brother made-out with the 'farmer's daughter,' while my second-oldest brother and I set off M-80s with the younger kids.Beautiful country!

[redpoint5]

I would say we have a medium level of humidity. I was sweating my face off loading a used washer into my truck 2 days ago even though the temperature was only about 75. Nowhere near as bad as Kentucky or Florida though.

It was a beautiful spring, with many farms having planted flowers in their fields.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I would say we have a medium level of humidity. I was sweating my face off loading a used washer into my truck 2 days ago even though the temperature was only about 75. Nowhere near as bad as Kentucky or Florida though.

It was a beautiful spring, with many farms having planted flowers in their fields.

Last Thursday,Baltimore had a heat index of 122-F!,with a dew-point of 85-F.CBS's chief meteorologist said he'd never seen a dew point like that.
I've seen 132-F heat index in Vietnam in August.They provided pink salt tablet dispensers all over base.I was never dry for a year.I think it's easier to take when you're nineteen.

[sendler]

"Agriculture already uses almost half of the world’s vegetated land. It consumes 90 percent of all the water used by humanity and generates one-quarter of the annual global emissions that are causing global warming. And yet of the seven billion people living today, 820 million are undernourished because they don’t have access to—or can’t afford—an adequate diet.

“We have to produce 30 percent more food on the same land area, [ How can we do this without giant farm tractors that run on liquid fuel. And without artificial fertilizer that is made with and from fossil carbon] stop deforestation, and cut carbon emissions for food production by two-thirds, All of that must be done while reducing poverty levels and the loss of natural habitat, preventing freshwater depletion, and cutting pollution as well as other environmental impacts of farming."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...00041266339255

[redpoint5]

*Insert freebeard vertical farming references here*

[sendler]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

*Insert freebeard vertical farming references here*

That will grow less food per unit of manpower hour and per MWh. The current factory farming using giant liquid fueled tractors, fossil carbon fueled and feedstocked fertilizer and GMO crops is what has allowed the human population to balloon and is the most productive way to farm. Anything that follows will be less productive.