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Old 07-31-2019, 06:42 PM   #6351 (permalink)
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We're going to die of heart disease or cancer, just like everyone else. Sure, some people will be tragically taken by weather-related events, but they will still pale in comparison to heart disease and cancer.

It wouldn't be crazy to hear some politician talking incessantly about heart disease and cancer, yet we would probably think them to be crazy.

We don't like to talk about things actually likely to happen to us, because that would require confronting our real vulnerabilities.



The faster the rate of change, the more disruptive it is to the inhabitants. Adaptation is a process that takes time, and when the time frame is accelerated, it puts more pressure on creatures to make the requisite changes.

The problem isn't that the climate changes, it's that it changes quickly relative to geologic time frames.

Still, it doesn't seem that humanity will suffer so much given that these "rapid" changes still take several human generations to manifest problems. As I said, nobody is going to wake up tomorrow with seas being a foot higher.

Seas have risen about a foot over the last 100 years, and people that old don't report how terrible that transition was, or how climate change was the most difficult thing they had to contend with. In the next 100 years seas are predicted to rise about a foot too. Any predictions on what people will be recounting as the most difficult things they have lived through?
I lived through heart disease and think I averted its grip on me. By changing my diet to predominantly vegetables and fruit I think I greatly reduced my risk on colon cancer and other related cancers. But the risk of having to abandon house somewhere in the future is rising every day, and there's little I alone can do about that.

We have to scoop up sand from the bottom of the North Sea and deposit that on our beaches to protect our dunes, by millions of tons of sand per year, replacing a process that nature did for us - but goes too slow to cope with the rising seas. Once in a while bones and artifacts of the people that lived there get scooped up - they lived where there's 15 meter of water now.
There's a recently discovered long section of Roman road nearby my town - at 70 centimeter below current average sea level.
The seas have been steadily and slowly rising over the centuries. It is now rising over 10 times as fast, and that rate is climbing exponentially.

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Fortunately we're more than 10x as capable as people centuries ago. These are problems worth considering and solving, but there's more immediate threats that directly harm humans.
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That's simple - they just deny the risk.

Like man- made climate change. Don't like that? Deny.
Climate change is the change in weather over centuries and millennia.
It bares no compairson to a 8.0 earth quake on the west coast followed by a 100 meter tsunami.
Pretending they are in the same category is almost as dumb as living below sea level when you know the sea level is rising
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Still not sure what 'solar irradiance-forcing' is.
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Them are fancy words for denier talk.
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Still not sure what 'solar irradiance-forcing' is.
Infra-red energy absorbing CO2, methane, SF6, nitrous oxides, & feedback mechanisms, such as infra-red energy absorbing water vapor force Earth temps upwards, despite the Total Solar Irradiation being low for the last 13 years.
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Them are fancy words for denier talk.
But that would make aerohead a denier.
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And what is happening outside of natural variability is a consequence of fossil-fuel combustion,plus the other anthropogenic forcings mankind has contributed.
It's not the Sun.It's not clouds.It's not cosmic-'ray' secondary particles.
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I'm just a messenger.Haircut now,or decapitation in the future.
"Natural variability" includes the Sun, clouds and cosmic rays, but not to include Plasma Universe?
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Any one who doesn't believe that if we don't turn to socialism or communism to force all us working class people (not rich people) to cut our carbon emissions 50 or 60 percent in the next 12 years we face DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
If you don't think climate change is the most important problem you might be a denier.
If you don't want to surrender a good chunk of your income to fix global warming by pouring trillions of dollars into a UN black hole fund with no accountability or oversight, you might be a denier.

The simple fact that only 3 or 4% of people believe global warming, pollution, environment is the most important problem. That means almost everyone is a denier.
Theirs your 97% consensus.
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Climate change is the change in weather over centuries and millennia.
It bares no compairson to a 8.0 earth quake on the west coast followed by a 100 meter tsunami.
Pretending they are in the same category is almost as dumb as living below sea level when you know the sea level is rising
Deny and blame or insult other people.
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Fortunately we're more than 10x as capable as people centuries ago. These are problems worth considering and solving, but there's more immediate threats that directly harm humans.
That we're capable of creating more than 10 times as much pollution as then does not count as a solution. We're digging a hole we can't climb out of.

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