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Old 08-11-2019, 12:01 AM   #6451 (permalink)
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The funniest anecdote I heard about Fuller,from someone who worked with him,was that he couldn't ever leave a design alone.The fella's comment was: 'At some point you've got to shoot the designer,or nothing will ever get built.'
Because violence is always funny? The uninformed opinion you heard expressed refers to Fuller's dictum that three pre-production prototypes are necessary to shake out the bugs. The money people wanted to go after just two. Fuller, like our President, wasn't afraid to walk away from the deal. That ended with the U. S. Marines and the trade fair pavilions.

The Dymaxion house was an example. Here's a Kirsten Dirksen tour so you can appreciate the details. It's more interesting than Fuller's (restored) home in Carbondale. Best view I've seen of the kitchen.

A tour of a derelict Dymaxion Deployment Unit at https://youtu.be/HRtV77_3rWA


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Hansen's Institute on Climate and Planets ... came up with a template for carbon mitigation:
*get rid of coal
**put loopholes in the definitions of the vehicle fleet.
**Tighten National/ISO Building Codes
**Get the most efficient stuff into the hands of all Americans

Shed load wherever possible.
Load shedding is consistent with aerostealth's assertion. The rest, like 'tightening' codes and 'getting it into hands' is very possible to get wrong; and leaves a lot on the table, like Moon power and Biochar.

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Just listened to an interesting Ben Shapiro podcast. He had Jonathan Safran as the Sunday special guest, and Jonathan made about the most level-headed and well thought out appeal towards taking some initiative to reduce CO2 emissions, and he did so without formulating the argument in such a way as "you're either with us or against us". He pointed out that many people claiming to be climate advocates live almost indistinguishable lives from "climate deniers".

The main point of topic was that meat production is among the highest contributors to increasing CO2 levels. Other reasons why people might reduce meat consumption is to reduce inhumane treatment of animals, or to improve one's health, with red meat especially being linked to cancer and other health problems. So his argument was that there's something that would appeal to most people to give them pause about how much meat they consume. Rather than treating the topic in a religious sort of way, where any meat consumption at all is shameful and evil, he suggests each person evaluate where they can reduce meat consumption and create a plan for how they will accomplish that, for instance by eliminating meat from breakfast.

Anyhow, I'm not going to eliminate meat from my diet, but I did think more about the topic than I have before and would consider planning a diet that included less of it. As it is now, practically all my meals include meat unless I'm having a bowl of cereal.

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Meanwhile, somewhere in Brazil, Bolsonaro proposes pooping on alternate days.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49304358
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Bolsonaroa pattented a oral pooping method.

He is what's happen when people vote with anger instead of rationality. There were other anti-left alternatives, but people choosed hin, and in the run-off election there ws just hin and a leftwing.

He is a disaster... in nevery way.
That's why Brazil it's always a joke worldwide... we always do pathetic things or choose pathetic people.

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Meanwhile, somewhere in Brazil, Bolsonaro proposes pooping on alternate days.
Freebeard complained about me mentioning Jarhead Poisonarrow, couple of weeks ago. Freebeard is a plagiarist, without having a reason to be so.
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In case you haven't noticed, it's not as if the US is in a race to the top as far as candidates go. We're made of the same stuff as anyone else, and susceptible to similar motivations. Only controversial people are "newsworthy" so reasonable people stand no chance to spark the passion of the masses.

My estimation is that our biggest threats are the ones not talked about at all. If you want a dose of reality, watch Dr. Strangelove again. It's not going to be unsecured borders or Global Warming that causes mass suffering, not that those topics aren't worthy of consideration, but that they aren't even in the same realm of threat to the well-being of humanity.

Name any topic in the news/politics, and I can probably come up with several dozen more important instantly.

... mass shooters- very bad... not as bad as our suicide problem or opioid addiction.
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'At some point you've got to shoot the designer,or nothing will ever get built.'
Military contracts are sometimes like that. Contracts are let to build some complex system..... & then someone gets a bright idea, "if they only did this or that, it would increase capability by 5%, 20%, etc". Then the contract gets inflated, often scrapping original designs & starting from scratch. After 15 years of development, there still isn't any product.
Other scenerios operate similarly.

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That cuts both ways. The Dymaxion house has some rough edges. It could have used another prototype.
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Meanwhile, somewhere in Brazil, Bolsonaro proposes pooping on alternate days.
Freebeard complained about me mentioning Jarhead Poisonarrow, couple of weeks ago. Freebeard is a plagiarist, without having a reason to be so.
I never complained. Let's jump in the Wayback Machine:
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Case in point: Jair Bolsonaro, elected Brazilian president, is really wacking the Amazon forest. Jarhead Poison is a super-"don'T rump"...
Poisonarrow? Name-calling doesn't help your cause.
I thought 'Jarhead Poison' was weak, and at Permalink #6230 I suggested an extension. You accused me of name-calling.

At Permalink #6453 I gave a source source and did not use your construction. I'll wait for your apology, but only for 48 hours.
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Any comments about reducing meat consumption as a method of reducing CO2? AllDarc brings up fake meat topics fairly regularly including lab grown meat. If we're able to develop lab meat and manufacture at scale, that seems like a huge way to reduce the amount of land devoted to meat production and increase the caloric efficiency of creating meat (and no more cow farts). My guess is that lab meat is more likely than not in the future. Perhaps toward the end of my life I'll be seen as a barbarian that ate animals, though the motivation to lab grow meat would largely be to reduce cost/maximize profit.

Some, if not most of the solutions to our problems may come about due to capitalistic innovation motivated by improving efficiency as a means of reducing costs. Capturing the free "fuel" provided by the sun is already a huge motivation compared to having to purchase/extract and burn fuel to power things, for instance.
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We need to change the way we raise cows - we feed them with sow and corn grown with artificial fertilizer and pesticides and herbicides - and this is the only source of added greenhouse gases.

Cows than eat grass can help SINK carbon into the ground - so eating locally grown grass fed beef can HELP the climate, a lot.

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