The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

All of those things have more to do with human population size than anything else. It seems a decline in our numbers is the inevitable solution to these problems, which I expect will happen mostly non-violently due to adoption of various technologies. Not in 10 years though. It will be a couple hundred years before population dwindles to say, half of current.

Based on nothing but speculation, I expect population to peak in 40 years.

If global warming happens there will be more usable land for food production. We could easily support more people. Not that I want it to happen but Sibrea and Canada, the largest land masses on the planet, go from poor or unusable farmland to good farmland. Look at the size of Sibrea, it's amazing to consider.

[Shaneajanderson]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

It is going to be very hard, but we have NO CHOICE - if we are acting ethically.

This is the same song that global warming/cooling/ozone hole/etc. advocates have been singing for 60 years, we're all going to die if we don't do X within ten years, and yet there is no statistically significant change in climate in general, and humanity is still alive and thriving, and very much not dead.

[freebeard]

Not that I want it to happen but Sibrea and Canada, the largest land masses on the planet, go from poor or unusable farmland to good farmland. Look at the size of Sibrea, it's amazing to consider.

Why wouldn't you want that? Is it because Canada is turning into Leftist/Sharia paradise?

Have you looked into the one-time Empire of Tartaria?

Map of independent Tartary (in yellow) and Chinese Tartary (in violet), in 1806.
1806? They didn't tell me in grade school, either.

[freebeard]

Too good not to share:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0vL9Ovyis

OC/DC. Heh.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by Shaneajanderson

...... humanity is still alive and thriving, and very much not dead.

Almost $2 trillion is the estimate in 5 categories only, to alleviate, even the start of AGW effects around the planet. This is only the first estimate in limited areas, & can easily be seen to increase by multiples, as the future becomes the present & AGW effects become really complex. And again, this is only the beginning.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change

$400 milion has already been spent by Miami, & that was only to get salt water in the city back into the seas. With only the beginning of explorations of protections from rising seas, $120 billion is estimated for New Jersey & New York river gates, probably not including full protections around Long Island.

[freebeard]

An Okay post, litesong. Good work.

Geodesic domes will save humankind. If we're not attracted by the improved lifestyle, we'll be driven by dire necessity.

My parents house in 1980:

[sendler]

Story of the Earth video looks at 1 billion years of deep time in 33 minutes.
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https://youtu.be/MQWJbLTyDlc

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Nice straw man argument you have there. That cartoon in no way reflects reality.

Facts are unaffected by your opinion, or mine. Science is the best understanding we have of reality. Science says that we must stop burning all fossil fuels within a decade or two, if we want to avoid the very worst effects.

The IEA believes 7 out of 10 new vehicles sold in 2030 will still be gas burners.
What science says we have to stop burning fossil fuels with in a decade?
I hope you don't mean the laser ipcc report.
Because if that's your conclusion you obviously didn't read any of it.

[sendler]

So there's nothing in the IPCC 2018 that stated that we had 450 Gigatonnes of Carbon left to emit in a budget to stay below plus 1.5C?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Shaneajanderson

This is the same song that global warming/cooling/ozone hole/etc. advocates have been singing for 60 years, we're all going to die if we don't do X within ten years, and yet there is no statistically significant change in climate in general, and humanity is still alive and thriving, and very much not dead.

I remember everyone was going to get skin cancer if we didn't ban cfc.
But the thing is higher levels of UV were never detected at inhabited latitudes.