The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

They produce carbon dioxide.Foreign energy supplies are always a catalyst for war.You may have heard last night, that we just sent armored forces into Syria to guard oilfields?

Always? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel
This may be pertinent to the discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX541Dr2rU

There is No Algorithm for Truth - with Tom Scott
•Oct 24, 2019
How does science get communicated in an age of social media?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Always? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel
This may be pertinent to the discussion:

It's not my quote.A few things worth mentioning:
*acute wood shortage,England,late 1500s.
*timber famine,England,1700.England burning America down to produce glass,cutting prime timber for naval stores.
*England digging 11-million ton of coal by 1800.
*England extracting 66-million tons,coal,by 1850.
*Attempted US Marine Corps landing,Korea,repulsed,1872.
*US military takeover of Cuba,1898.
*US military takeover of Puerto Rico,1898
*US military takeover of Phillipines,1898
*US military takeover of Hawaii,1898.
*US taking of Panama,1903,under US Navy threat of bombardment of Colombia,should she contest the action.

*England,'Peak Coal',1910,@ 275-million tons.
*1st oil crisis,as oil-fired German warship 'Panther' sails into Port of Agaziz,1911.
*WW-I,war for Turkish Ottoman Empire and division of Middle East oil,Berlin-to-Bagdad Railway.
*1941-1945,WW-II,battle for N.Africa oil,Middle East oil,Ploisti,Rumania oil,Baku,oil,Caspian Sea,IG Farben synthetic oil production,Dutch East Indies oil,Mexican oil,Venezuelan oil,top-secret oilfields,Sherwood Forest,England.
*1st post-war oil crisis,as Iran nationalizes Anglo-American oil,1951.
*CIA assassination of Iranian Prime Minister Mossadegh,1953.
*Suez Canal Crisis,Egyptian,Israeli,French,British war for oil tanker access,1956
*Second Suez Canal Crisis,1967.
*Arab Oil Embargo,October 23,1973,US Oil Crisis.
*2nd Arab Oil Embargo,1979,U.S.hostages taken,Iran.
*UN-imposed embargo on Iran,1990.
*Gulf War,1991.
*World Trade Center attack #1,1993.
*World Trade Center attack #2,9-11-2001.
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[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

We import LNG from Indonesia and Algeria.The US Navy would have an eye on that.As well as all shipping lanes in between.
If you had specific information on 'junk science' in the IPCC report,that might be of interest.How can you read about a report if it's thrown out? What does Greta quote? I've only heard her say,to listen to the scientists.
I don't know any typical believers,so I don't know what you're talking about.
I won't be learning anything from the reports,as I won't be reading them.I don't know anyone freaking out about the reports.I don't know anything about them.And don't care to.

I down loaded the oceans and cryosphere report the day it came out, so I have a copy.
I told you probably at least 5 times now that the "quantification in oceann heat up take from changes in atmospheric O2 and CO2 composition" paper has been retracted in nature, which means it's junk science.
That was the major paper for the oceans and cryosphere ipcc report. How is that not specific enough for you?

It was on here Greta referenced some old ipcc report that made it sound like a 3 degree temperature increase was certain. It sounded kind of dire. She gave the report name and page number. I was able to find the report and read the entire context and it's not as bad as she says it is.

You got me on the LNG. I don't see how they can liquify and transport it that far and have it be economical. Must to keep up with winter demand. Hey as long as it's not coming from the middle east.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

We import LNG from Indonesia and Algeria.The US Navy would have an eye on that.As well as all shipping lanes in between.

Nope...

oil pan 4
You got me on the LNG. I don't see how they can liquify and transport it that far and have it be economical. Must to keep up with winter demand. Hey as long as it's not coming from the middle east.

They can't.

This is where we import from other than Canada 🇨🇦.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...nd-exports.php

About 3% of total U.S. natural gas imports came as LNG, 86% of which were from Trinidad and Tobago.

The last I remember reading was the USA had about 250 years of natural gas in current known reserves with more coming online.





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[sendler]

Originally Posted by redneck

The last I remember reading was the USA had about 250 years of natural gas in current known reserves with more coming online.

The USA has about 80 years of natural gas left including estimates of all unproved reserves at the current rate of consumption of about 35 tcf/ year. Which will continue to go up before it starts going back down.
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https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=58&t=8
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Then What?
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World oil will be scarce within 50 years.
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Coal is being used less and is plentiful if we have the energy to move mountains to get it. 200 years.

How long until countries that have oil and gas wise up and realize they should quit exporting it and start hording?
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[oil pan 4]

So if LNG shipments stopped the price would go up a little?

People might wise up to the oil situation about the time Saudi becomes an oil importer.

[redneck]

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I don’t have the original article that said 200-250 years of natural gas anymore as it was in a file on the computer that crashed. But I did find this from Exxon (Dated Aug. 28, 2019).

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/Ene...ply#naturalGas

Energy supply

Energy – in all its forms – enables growth and prosperity. As economies grow, as technology advances, as consumers become more environmentally aware, and as policies adapt, global energy demand will evolve to meet changing needs.

Natural gas resource estimates keep rising as technology unlocks resources previously considered too difficult or costly to produce

Less than 15 percent of recoverable natural gas resources have been produced

Remaining natural gas resources can provide about 200 years of supply at current demand

About 45 percent of remaining natural gas resources are from unconventional sources like shale gas, tight gas and coalbed methane

Natural gas resources are geographically widespread

(lots of info, charts and graphs at the link)



I said USA supply...

I should have said Global supply...

My bad...






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[sendler]

The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act H.R 763 is a very well thought out bill to implement a gradual phase in of carbon tax right where it comes out of the ground or first enters the country and is revenue neutral with the complete dividend to be repaid to all citizens to use as they see fit. This is a true market solution to the missing price signals of using fossil carbon as fuel. Right now we pay little more than the cost of extraction. Nothing is paid for the depletion of these nonrenewable resources from the commons. Nor for the sink of their waste. This bill attempts to phase in a more accurate market price to carbon as fuels to help the market drive us toward more sustainable types and levels of energy consumption. Write your congress person to support H.R. 763.
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https://citizensclimatelobby.org/ene...-dividend-act/

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

*England extracting 66-million tons,coal,by 1850.

This is why I find it odd that the ipcc cherry picked 1850 to 1900 as their control for "pre industrial climate".

[oil pan 4]

The United States could get Trinidad and tobago to surrender with a tweet.

Originally Posted by sendler

The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act H.R 763 is a very well thought out bill to implement a gradual phase in of carbon tax right where it comes out of the ground or first enters the country and is revenue neutral with the complete dividend to be repaid to all citizens to use as they see fit. This is a true market solution to the missing price signals of using fossil carbon as fuel. Right now we pay little more than the cost of extraction. Nothing is paid for the depletion of these nonrenewable resources from the commons. Nor for the sink of their waste. This bill attempts to phase in a more accurate market price to carbon as fuels to help the market drive us toward more sustainable types and levels of energy consumption. Write your congress person to support H.R. 763.
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https://citizensclimatelobby.org/ene...-dividend-act/

Sounds like the best thing to happen to the nuclear power industry in 3 decades.