The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

"If only there was no erosion, no flood, no permafrost melting, we would still be over there," she says. "But we'll get used to it."

They're moving across a river. The apparent connection to climate is that permafrost melting has increased river flows and thus erosion on it's banks.

I think it's a good counterpoint to the Vinay Gupta video I posted yesterday. Between in-fighting within the village and institutional paralysis above them, nothing happens except money goes away.

An entrepreneur could bring in shipping containers and create a pop-up town that employs people to make and expand it. Archigram covered this in the 1970s.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Residents Of An Eroded Alaskan Village Are Pioneering A New One, In Phases

And...???

Things change...



Bering Strait Land Bridge

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...g-ice-age.html

"So for most of the time from about 30,000 to 18,000 years ago, the land bridge was nearly 1,000 kilometers [620 miles] wide in the north-south direction."

Your post is pointless...

Everything changes...

According to your prospective we should still have a land bridge.

I wonder if they b*tched about disappearing land back then...???

I can see it now...

Extra Extra

Read all about it...

Man causing land bridge to disappear...




18,000 years from now we’ll see it as natural progression... Again...


Long term studies have that effect.




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[freebeard]

Imagine what it was like when the Bosphorus Strait breached and the Black Sea filled.



I came back to add this. National Geographic had an article about the history of the MIssissippi promoted on Digg.com, but when I went there they wanted an email address to read the article. Ain't nobody got time....

Here's a similar picture of the Willamette Valley showing LIDAR imaging of the meanders with time


Willamette River Historical Stream Channels – Hidden Hydrology

[litesong]

Originally Posted by freebeard

..... entrepreneur could bring in shipping containers and create a pop-up town that employs people to make and expand it.

Similar to the exxon valdez, they can wait for a container ship sailing by, which sinks. They'll keep the overhead way down, by using all the containers floating by. Probably be enough containers for 100 new SLR-generated towns.

[freebeard]

Waiting leads to cargo cults. Then you wind up with 100 containers full of tennis shoes.

The containers need to be full of tools and materials before they are repurposed.
https://www.opensourceecology.org/gvcs/

The Global Village Construction Set (GVCS) is a modular, DIY, low-cost, high-performance platform that allows for the easy fabrication of the 50 different Industrial Machines that it takes to build a small, sustainable civilization with modern comforts. We’re developing open source industrial machines that can be made at a fraction of commercial costs, and sharing our designs online for free.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by redneck

..Bering Strait Land Bridge.....

AGW deniers always point out natural changes over thousands of years. Man-made global warming is changing things over decades & years. Chunks of coastal states, like California, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alaska, Texas, Maine, Washington state, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, etc. are in SLR trouble. Populations of low-lying countries, islands & continents (including Antarctica) are already being driven by SLR, away from their home grounds..... which are watery grounds, now.

Plus, the GHG generating wick is turned up continuously. That's why AGW deniers squawk faster, as they protect GHG generating fossil fuel companies & their trillions.

[NeilBlanchard]

10 countries, and 6 US cities that have reached or will reach (by 2020) 95 to >100% electricity from renewable sources.


https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/...ommitments.pdf

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Residents Of An Eroded Alaskan Village Are Pioneering A New One, In Phases

In "primitive times", the move would have been a normal part of life as permanence of settlement wasn't a thing for these and other peoples.

I grew up on a Pacific island where we lived in a bamboo and thatched hut. We had flooding and earthquakes and storms. People simply moved and rebuilt somewhere else.

Sea levels are rising, and have been rising even before there was this idea of AGW. It has happened before and will again. People will adjust. The difference is that we now have billions of people living along waterways. But the slow pace of sea level rise will allow people to adjust. As we always have.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

10 countries, and 6 US cities that have reached or will reach (by 2020) 95 to >100% electricity from renewable sources.


https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/...ommitments.pdf

Renewable power that was made with fossil fuels

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by litesong

AGW deniers always point out natural changes over thousands of years. Man-made global warming is changing things over decades & years. Chunks of coastal states, like California, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alaska, Texas, Maine, Washington state, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, etc. are in SLR trouble. Populations of low-lying countries, islands & continents (including Antarctica) are already being driven by SLR, away from their home grounds..... which are watery grounds, now.

Plus, the GHG generating wick is turned up continuously. That's why AGW deniers squawk faster, as they protect GHG generating fossil fuel companies & their trillions.

Climate studies is a popular thing. Using the Cray computer on the University of California San Diego campus to model climate is one of the classes students will go through. Even then, 30 year windows are used to smooth data. Look up the texts. Go take the classes. Then come back and tell me not to use academic definitions of "climate" and "weather" interchangeably - as you have done.

And I believe in global warming. A late old friend told me stories of her time as a navy wife in San Diego during WW2. She told of me stories where October and November would bring snow to the beaches. These are the same beaches my wife runs around in, in a tiny two piece playing beach volleyball with her girlfriends, today.

This time period I am speaking of would be barely 3 points on a graph of climate change. The extreme oscillations from such a graph would warrant the application of more techniques to divine some conclusion. Those techniques are the issue. You can take the same raw data and apply different methods to come to differing conclusions.

You may be sure of your conclusions. But the science of this subject is truthfully much less settled and should be open to debate.