12-02-2019, 03:03 PM
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pause still in effect ?
I thought we had to wait until December 10th to resume. ![Confused](/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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12-02-2019, 03:27 PM
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Interesting, but requires really a lot of mirrors, like a solar farm.
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Did I broked some rule?
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I thought we had to wait until December 10th to resume. ![Confused](/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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12-02-2019, 03:30 PM
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I learned about the Keeling Curve lately, and I wanted to share it because of a possibility to reduce carbon (for whatever reason, not suggesting it has anything to do with climate change obviously) with help of Mother Nature, none other.
While the Keeling Curve shows a steady increase over the years, it has a strong seasonal fluctuation:
This fluctuation is caused by leaves growing and decaying. During spring and summer trees form leaves and lock carbon from the air into them. During autumn and winter these leaves fall and decay, releasing the carbon again.
As most of the Earths temperate land zones are on the northern hemisphere the carbon variation follows the northern summer and winter pattern, even on the southern hemisphere. Close to forests the variation is biggest, but even on Mauna Loa, far away from the large forests, the pattern is obvious.
The trees absorb so much carbon dioxide that during summer the levels decline globally.
Now, what if we try to harvest the leaves? Store and dry them in giant silos, maybe heat them without oxygen to separate the hydrogen from the carbon, producing combustible gases while retaining some of the carbon.
If we could indeed capture and process a large volume of leaves then we would be able to compensate for all the carbon we put into the atmosphere. We just need to match fossil fuels carbon wise, say (i guess) a tonne of leaves for every barrel of oil.
We could at least try using leaves rather than oil as a source for carbon based products like plastics.
More info on the Keeling curve: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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12-02-2019, 04:19 PM
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I'd asked for an aerodynamic house thread elsewhere, but G**gle controls the search and they won't show it to me.
It's already the 2nd.
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12-02-2019, 04:22 PM
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12-02-2019, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RedDevil
I learned about the Keeling Curve lately, and I wanted to share it because of a possibility to reduce carbon (for whatever reason, not suggesting it has anything to do with climate change obviously) with help of Mother Nature, none other.
While the Keeling Curve shows a steady increase over the years, it has a strong seasonal fluctuation:
This fluctuation is caused by leaves growing and decaying. During spring and summer trees form leaves and lock carbon from the air into them. During autumn and winter these leaves fall and decay, releasing the carbon again.
As most of the Earths temperate land zones are on the northern hemisphere the carbon variation follows the northern summer and winter pattern, even on the southern hemisphere. Close to forests the variation is biggest, but even on Mauna Loa, far away from the large forests, the pattern is obvious.
The trees absorb so much carbon dioxide that during springtime the levels decline globally.
Now, what if we try to harvest the leaves? Store and dry them in giant silos, maybe heat them without oxygen to separate the hydrogen from the carbon, producing combustible gases while retaining some of the carbon.
If we could indeed capture and process a large volume of leaves then we would be able to compensate for all the carbon we put into the atmosphere. We just need to match fossil fuels carbon wise, say (i guess) a tonne of leaves for every barrel of oil.
We could at least try using leaves rather than oil as a source for carbon based products like plastics.
More info on the Keeling curve: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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The commies don't care about CO2.
https://www.greencarcongress.com/201...1126-bnef.html
The communist sycophants on here not long ago told me burning coal was only temporary and that they were going to solar, wind and hydro power everything.
Buring of coal for electricity doesn't look temporary to me. Looks more like a growing institution.
I think people interpreted the 2018 coal reduction as something other than China losing the trade war.
This just shows that nothing any other country does matters at all until the Chinese clean up their power generation.
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12-03-2019, 07:21 AM
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I thought we had to wait until December 10th to resume. ![Confused](/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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It should not have been necessary in the first place.
The problem lies not in the subject but in the lack of respect that some people exhibit when they encounter opinions they don't like.
We've seen posts removed for being on the subject of climate change.
I'd rather see that happen to problematic posts as per forum etiquette.
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12-03-2019, 12:23 PM
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Military hacks, some quite ecologic :
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12-03-2019, 12:49 PM
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It should not have been necessary in the first place.
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That doesn't change the fact that it was called. It was a small ask. We're 2/3rds the way there.
Meanwhile we learn something about self-discipline.
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12-03-2019, 04:00 PM
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I learned I have military habits, ahem.
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