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sendler · 09-19-2019, 12:01 PM

Fortunately the Sun is forecast to be headed into a Solar Super Grand Minimum beyond anything ever seen since we have been studying it over 400 years. This will begin to give us a 25 year reprieve from some greenhouse warming effects and trough in 2032.
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We should be saving the rest of our coal for them to use to fend off the next Glacial period whenever that my be.

sendler · 09-19-2019, 12:36 PM

"It is not quite true that behind every great fortune lies a great crime. Musicians and novelists, for example, can become extremely rich by giving other people pleasure. But it does appear to be universally true that in front of every great fortune lies a great crime. Immense wealth translates automatically into immense environmental impacts, regardless of the intentions of those who possess it. The very wealthy, almost as a matter of definition, are committing ecocide."
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...gsnw5bVjxc0ASA

freebeard · 09-19-2019, 01:23 PM

So the 'great crime' is in front of not behind the fortune?

We could at least try to innovate our way out of the predicament:
news.slashdot.org/.../personal-carbon-sequestration-device-uses-algae-to-remove-co2-from-the-air

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In the future, your office might have an extra appliance next to the copy machine and the refrigerator: an algae bioreactor. Designed to fit inside offices and eventually sit on the rooftops throughout cities, it can capture as much carbon from the atmosphere as an acre of trees. And there's an initial prototype already at work.
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The first version of the device, which is currently in operation, is three-by-three-by-seven feet. It's a closed system that works indoors, connecting with an HVAC system to reduce CO2 levels inside and release cleaner air.

oil pan 4 · 09-19-2019, 01:26 PM

What would really be scarry is unprecedented ice growth.
Ever try to grow food on snow?
It's not easy

Yes go nuclear save the coal and natural gas for steel, glass and to burn out the next ice age.

litesong · 09-19-2019, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sendler

Fortunately the Sun is forecast to be headed into a Solar Super Grand Minimum beyond anything ever seen......

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4

What would really be scarry is unprecedented ice growth.

AGW deniers predicted an ice age 20+ years ago & offer their "sigh-ants". Now, that the sun has been radiating low for 13(+?) years, AGW deniers jes' doub down on their bets. When the sun does return to normal radiation levels, AGW will accelerate even more than presently.
While AGW deniers continue their "ice age sigh-ants", the Earth keeps heating, ice keeps melting, & the oceans keep rising. Yeah, its true. Miami has already paid $400+ million in AGW debt, & THAT was only to get sea water out of the city & back into the ocean.

oil pan 4 · 09-19-2019, 03:31 PM

I never said the world was cooling or going into an ice age. The world likely has at least 4,000 more years before the next ice age tries to begin.
Seems like it's going to continue warming just as it has for the last 20,000 years.

If you say it's going to warm up more, good, bring it.

So you admit the sun can effect climate more than man. The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.
The man made climate change belivers are the ones delusional enough to think the climate is or should be stationery.

redneck · 09-19-2019, 04:28 PM

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Is the water rising or the land sinking...???

freebeard · 09-19-2019, 04:58 PM

Intelligible at 1.75x.

The train analogy at 11:21 is a good one.

Acceleration is a change in velocity, surge is a change in acceleration.

Whatever will be, will be. The best strategy would be designed-in resilience. Like a solar-powered semi-submergible hausboot.

oil pan 4 · 09-19-2019, 05:53 PM

The cult of climatology should be able to answer questions 3.
1 what kind of electric car do you drive?
2 how much solar do you own?
3 do you live at or below sea level? The correct answer is equally to or greater than 50 feet. A negative answer renders the previous 2 questions null.
If they answer all 3 incorrectly then they are nothing more than completely bs filled virtue signalers.

If they can answer all 3 correctly then you know they can at least smoke what they sell.

freebeard · 09-19-2019, 07:39 PM

Electric boats?

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