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Old 12-30-2019, 02:33 PM   #8051 (permalink)
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A baseless assertion. Here:


Today's S0 space weather report picks up the story here: https://youtu.be/Eh0T5DaeaOU?t=86.
  • In high solar wind charged particles are forced into the atmosphere
  • There are different risk indices for electromagnetism and magnetic induction (telluric currents)
  • The Earth' equatorial electrojet is comparable to the Sun's solar wind but it's pathetically weak in comparison

RESEARCH ARTICLE
Solar wind signal in the wintertime North Atlantic oscillation and Northern Hemispheric circulation
Zhipeng Zhu
Limin Zhou
Xiangmin Zheng
First published: 20 December 2019
https://doi.org/10.1002/joc.6461

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.co....1002/joc.6461
Would you be so kind as to explain to the folks,how electrons,protons,and neutrons warm the troposphere? And telluric currents? Bell Laboratories tried and failed.Perhaps you've had better luck?

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Old 12-30-2019, 02:48 PM   #8052 (permalink)
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Would you be so kind as to explain to the folks,how electrons,protons,and neutrons warm the troposphere? And telluric currents? Bell Laboratories tried and failed.Perhaps you've had better luck?
Is it not sufficient to point to the work of those who can explain it better than I?

Maybe you could explain why you drag neutrons into it? And not charged particles?
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Alpha radiation wouldn't get far into the atmosphere. I'm not sure if that includes neutrons or not.

I would expect gamma radiation to be by far the largest emission from the sun to cause warming.

Not sure how well beta particles penetrate.
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:18 PM   #8054 (permalink)
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Is it not sufficient to point to the work of those who can explain it better than I?

Maybe you could explain why you drag neutrons into it? And not charged particles?
When the atom is desintigrated into plasma,the neutrons are carried along with the electrons and protons.That's ballistic magnetohydrodynamics and fluid mechanics.The electrons and protons are the charged particles,carried in the solar wind,and current sheets,which can travel through interplanetary space as Parker spirals.Fast solar wind can overtake slower-moving solar wind,creating compressive shockwaves,refections,and rarifactions,just like in an automotive exhaust system.
There is no such thing as a 'ray',as in 'cosmic rays',only particles.
What 'expert' is explaining how neutral or charged particles heat the troposphere?
Heat isn't a 'thing',it's an effect of atomic vibration.Infrared elecromagnetic radiation transports it.Conduction transfers it via eddies,turbulence,and convective mixing within gases,up-or down,but primarily up from Earth's surface where ultraviolet is converted to long-wave IR.
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Alpha radiation wouldn't get far into the atmosphere. I'm not sure if that includes neutrons or not.

I would expect gamma radiation to be by far the largest emission from the sun to cause warming.

Not sure how well beta particles penetrate.
The only climate forcing associated with cosmic radiation is the potential creation of cloud condensation nuclei within regimes of atmospheric water vapor saturation.The argument suffers from the inconvenience of clouds being responsible for both reflecting solar radiation away from Earth,cooling the planet,while at the same time holding in more heat than they block,heating the planet.Aside from some man-made,long-lived molecules,water vapor is the chief greenhouse gas,and clouds are like blankets in the sky,even contrails from jet aircraft.
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The browser ate my homework. Long story short:

Space Weather Prediction Center
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The REFM plot displays roughly 30 days of observed and forecast data. Previous forecast values are kept on screen for comparison with observed data. Plot symbols correspond to the 24-hour >2 MeV electron fluence at geo-synchronous orbit, either observed or forecast. The forecasted and observed fluence values for the most recently observed 24-hour period is indicated by the dashed vertical lines. The 1, 2, and 3-day forecasts are to the right of the dashed vertical lines. A legend in the lower left corner indicates the symbol and color-coding used for the observed and forecast values. The lower right corner contains the latest observed and 1-3 day forecast values in a tabular format. The values are also color-coded in the same manner as the plot symbols. The date shown is valid at the beginning of the 24-hour period. When the 72-hour fluence exceeds 109 (cm2 s sr)-1, a warning message is displayed. Red lines (solid for observed and dashed for forecast) appear at the top of the plot, corresponding to the applicable days. A warning message also appears in the legend.
If there are electric-impenetrable barriers dividing the layers named in Latin, why the red color?
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I don't understand what you're talking about.How does all equal one?
Junk science according to paid climate deniers? How would they even know? How would you know?
The 'climate' is from sea-level,up to 17-kilometers.What happens there is what we're interested in.Infrared radiation that cannot penetrate back to space.
Space weather is not germane to the topic.
The solar wind never directly affects us down on the ground.It collides with the upper atmosphere,creating secondary 'particles',which can,and do make it down here.
Relativistic particles,like neutrinos and some muons just blow through everything.
Some neutrinos pass through the entire Earth and exit the opposite side.You can't block them with anything.However,most 'matter' is just empty space,so it's not surprising at all.
Gamma ray burst would be a bummer.It would sterilize the surface of the Earth facing the bombardment.
First of all they're all paid, no one does this for free. People or institutions who gain funds and release a study that shows a climate change phenomenon that isn't the direct result of man's actions are always climate denyers and working for the oil companies.
But if they are paid to find or further an anthropomorphic cause you automatically assume this second group has no bias. Yeah that seems fair.

Actually it does. You ignore the papers that show a relationship between hurricanes and solar storms or earthquakes and earth's magnetic connection to the sun and jupiter.
So the solar wind doesn't effect us at ground level. Then how come a solar storm was blamed for knocking out power to part of Canada and the North east united States in 1989?

Dark matter theory is collapsing in on its self like a black hole. There's one more miracle particle search that ends this year and has found nothing thus far.
Man made climate change is next in line.
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Then how come a solar storm was blamed for knocking out power to part of Canada and the North east united States in 1989?
That would be the induction.
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There's one more miracle particle search that ends this year and has found nothing thus far.
It turns out that 'dark matter' is just regular matter that's so diffuse we see right through it. Our sensors are getting better. And the galactic arms that are rotating too fast (to require 'dark matter') are an illusion.

Density Wave Theory.
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Originally, astronomers had the idea that the arms of a spiral galaxy were material. However, if this were the case, then the arms would become more and more tightly wound, since the matter nearer to the center of the galaxy rotates faster than the matter at the edge of the galaxy.[6] The arms would become indistinguishable from the rest of the galaxy after only a few orbits. This is called the winding problem.[7]

Lin and Shu proposed in 1964 that the arms were not material in nature, but instead made up of areas of greater density, similar to a traffic jam on a highway.
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There is no such thing as a 'ray',as in 'cosmic rays',only particles.
Indeed. No wonder Ronald Raygun's space weapon project bled to death.

There are waves, though. Every particle can be viewed as a wave too. Hence the startling results of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment.
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I think cosmic rays were named before people fully understand what they are.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle

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