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Old 12-28-2019, 01:29 PM   #8041 (permalink)
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We know solar irradance doesn't account for the warning that's what we have said all along. The irradance study they like to use doesn't look at the entire spectrum, it looks at one wave length of UV, the wavelength that just happens to be the one that changes the least.
Plus looking at the EM spectrum ignores everything in the sub light speed solar wind and everything coming in from out side the solar system when there is a lack of solar wind.
I looked online just now and saw that space-based solar observing satellites measure the solar spectral irradiance, from 165nm,to 3000nm,at 0.6nm to 9.5nm spectral resolution,for 10-years now.
Solar wind is space weather,and has nothing to do with the troposphere,where
climate' is.
Even with natural solar output variability,at no time does the solar wind or heliosphere not protect near space and our planet's magnetosphere from relative velocity energetic particles streaming in from outside the solar system.What gets in is basically handled by Earth's magnetosphere.What gets past that doesn't have anything to do with weather or climate.There is never a lack of solar wind.

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New report out says US makes half the ghg as china.
This came from a very climate cult, communist sympathizer website so it's likely true.
And they have more hydro,solar,wind,utility-scale power storage,zero-carbon electric cars,most advanced rail,the most advanced laboratories,and most renewable energy R&D than any nation on Earth,and growing.So what's the point?
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New south american tree ring study going back 5,680 years to determine temperature has found the recent warming attributed to man as being insignificant compared to the all natural Roman warming period and midevil warmup.
Hell 2020 might be the year the church of man made global warming burns, I figured it would be 2022.
If that data is good enough for ExxonMobil and Peabody Energy,it must be balanced,un-biased,peer-reviewed,scientific bona fides at its best!
Oh yeah,and South America is the whole globe.
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I'm skeptical about the color-coded light sabers. And my new favorite Star Wars space ship is the Outbound Flight. Redundancy, y'all.
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I looked online just now and saw that space-based solar observing satellites measure the solar spectral irradiance, from 165nm,to 3000nm,at 0.6nm to 9.5nm spectral resolution,for 10-years now.
Solar wind is space weather,and has nothing to do with the troposphere,where
climate' is.
Even with natural solar output variability,at no time does the solar wind or heliosphere not protect near space and our planet's magnetosphere from relative velocity energetic particles streaming in from outside the solar system.What gets in is basically handled by Earth's magnetosphere.What gets past that doesn't have anything to do with weather or climate.There is never a lack of solar wind.
For 10 years?
So in another 20 or 30 years it will be relevant.
I was just going buy a study you linked from 1996. I actually read the study. The one you linked went off 1 single wavelength of UV. Turns out that 1996 study was likely junk science.
All the new papers out are saying exactly the opposite of your second paragraph..
No instruments were in place capable of testing that hypothesis until last year.
It was just assumed space conditions didn't effect the earth beyond causing northern lights and that assumption some how got passes off as fact.

If solar wind and cosmic rays don't reach ground level then why do some scientific studies have to be located deep under ground to block out interface from solar wind and cosmic rays?
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If that data is good enough for ExxonMobil and Peabody Energy,it must be balanced,un-biased,peer-reviewed,scientific bona fides at its best!
Oh yeah,and South America is the whole globe.
Idso-facto!
I was hoping you would say something like that.
If south American tree rings dont represent the climate for whole world why are ice cores being used to represent the climate for the whole world?
That would be fair and unbiased right?
I am loving this new fairer and less biased climate research coming out.
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Solar wind is space weather,and has nothing to do with the troposphere,where
climate' is.
A baseless assertion. Here:


Today's S0 space weather report picks up the story here: https://youtu.be/Eh0T5DaeaOU?t=86.
  • In high solar wind charged particles are forced into the atmosphere
  • There are different risk indices for electromagnetism and magnetic induction (telluric currents)
  • The Earth' equatorial electrojet is comparable to the Sun's solar wind but it's pathetically weak in comparison

RESEARCH ARTICLE
Solar wind signal in the wintertime North Atlantic oscillation and Northern Hemispheric circulation
Zhipeng Zhu
Limin Zhou
Xiangmin Zheng
First published: 20 December 2019
https://doi.org/10.1002/joc.6461

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.co....1002/joc.6461
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The impact of the solar wind on sea level pressure (SLP), sea surface temperature (SST), zonal mean zonal wind (U) and air temperature (T) was examined using multiple linear regression analysis. Our analysis of the December–January–February (DJF) mean fields indicates that significant links between the solar wind speed (SWS) and the North Atlantic oscillation (NAO), SST tripolar structure and polar stratospheric temperature. The monthly reanalysis data (November to March) show that high SWS is associated with a poleward‐ and downward‐ propagating solar wind signal from December to February. The response of the Eliassen‐Palmer (EP) flux shows that more planetary wave activity is refracted equatorward in the upper stratosphere under higher SWS conditions, corresponding to an enhanced EP flux convergence in early winter. Enhanced EP flux divergence occurs in the stratosphere starting in January and propagates poleward and downward from January to February. For the coupling mechanism between the stratosphere and troposphere, in addition to chemical‐dynamical processes, cloud microphysical processes associated with the global electric circuit (GEC) might play a role in the downward propagation of the solar wind signal and the modulation of the NAO.
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For 10 years?
So in another 20 or 30 years it will be relevant.
I was just going buy a study you linked from 1996. I actually read the study. The one you linked went off 1 single wavelength of UV. Turns out that 1996 study was likely junk science.
All the new papers out are saying exactly the opposite of your second paragraph..
No instruments were in place capable of testing that hypothesis until last year.
It was just assumed space conditions didn't effect the earth beyond causing northern lights and that assumption some how got passes off as fact.

If solar wind and cosmic rays don't reach ground level then why do some scientific studies have to be located deep under ground to block out interface from solar wind and cosmic rays?
I don't understand what you're talking about.How does all equal one?
Junk science according to paid climate deniers? How would they even know? How would you know?
The 'climate' is from sea-level,up to 17-kilometers.What happens there is what we're interested in.Infrared radiation that cannot penetrate back to space.
Space weather is not germane to the topic.
The solar wind never directly affects us down on the ground.It collides with the upper atmosphere,creating secondary 'particles',which can,and do make it down here.
Relativistic particles,like neutrinos and some muons just blow through everything.
Some neutrinos pass through the entire Earth and exit the opposite side.You can't block them with anything.However,most 'matter' is just empty space,so it's not surprising at all.
Gamma ray burst would be a bummer.It would sterilize the surface of the Earth facing the bombardment.
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I was hoping you would say something like that.
If south American tree rings dont represent the climate for whole world why are ice cores being used to represent the climate for the whole world?
That would be fair and unbiased right?
I am loving this new fairer and less biased climate research coming out.
Ice cores have been collected from both poles,and any glacier,or ice cap,globally,on all continents and islands where they're found.The isotopic statigraphic data is compared to global dendrochronilogical data sets,petrified tree data sets,drowned tree-stump dendrochronology data sets,mud core data sets,coral core data sets,pollen data sets,and stalagtite core data sets.It is from only between 'all' these proxy data,that the 'global' paleoclimate record can be determined.
The paper on South America admitted that these were simply regional data.Perhaps that escaped you.

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