The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

It is now that all the "global desertification" predictions have been wrong.

Keep an eye on tropical mountain glacier retreat.This is where it's beginning.Some communities have already been completely abandoned for lack of snow/ice melt.Thousands of others are dead due to mountain lake ruptures and floods caused by the rapid melting.The lakes will go.The rivers will cease to flow.There'll be no 'downstream' irrigation.The USA won't escape it either.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I see a simple misapprehension.

Via Suspicious 0bservers this morning:

earthobservatory.nasa.gov: Global Green Up Slows Warming

Via Mac OS Summarize:

It's a conditional phenomena.The available carbon must be taken in the context of available: daylight,precipitation,nitrogen,phosphorous,overst ory,understory,soil microbes,drainage,elevation,pollinators,soil temperature,air temperature,wind,first thaw,refreezing,etc..
Some plants experience temporary growth,peak out,then experience no additional growth.Beyond 104-F,all photosynthesis is arrested,leaf stomata close off,and there's no longer any growth.Then wilt.Then heat death.Guatemala has been experiencing this for a couple of decades now.
Any good news is welcome,but the overall trajectory is grim.As in 'Reaper.'

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

What oil pan 4 says kinda resonates with me.It would be like Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez hopping from a HUMMER and into a power yacht.If folks want to beat the climate drum and presume the ethical and moral high ground,they better understand that,they're under a microscope,and folks are watching the 'dance' as well as the 'talk.' President Clinton used to burn 100,000-gallons of jet- fuel,flying to the West Coast and back for a haircut,maybe stopping in to visit daughter Chelsea while on the way.

Did you see the one where chief spreading bull got off her private jet and stepped into a motor cade of waiting SUVs, all while trying to hide from reporters.
She burns as much fuel in a day as the entire ecomodder fourm, lurkers included.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Did you see the one where chief spreading bull got off her private jet and stepped into a motor cade of waiting SUVs, all while trying to hide from reporters.
She burns as much fuel in a day as the entire ecomodder fourm, lurkers included.

No,I probably miss a lot on the tube.But I get the gist.It's as if people weren't watching.I have a dear friend who drives a hybrid.They may drive 3-times what the average American drives in a year,flitting from one activity to another,spread out all over the country.So far,it hasn't dawned on them,the size of their carbon footprint.But they're quick to criticize everyone else's.Funny country!

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

You haven't been paying attention at all.
You think we are in solar maximum? HA!
Now I know you really aren't paying attention to anything.

I asked you about the solar maximum, because you mentioned it.

I accept the facts, and the scientific conclusions around this is that humans are causing this current climate crisis.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

That's funny because 10 years ago there were just as many papers coming out saying we were going to get less rain.

You make a lot of straw man arguments, and this one is also wrong.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Did you see the one where chief spreading bull got off her private jet and stepped into a motor cade of waiting SUVs, all while trying to hide from reporters.
She burns as much fuel in a day as the entire ecomodder fourm, lurkers included.

We do need to make major changes to everything we do that burns fossil fuels.

Do you think anyone can be blamed for using the system BEFORE we get started changing it?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

We do need to make major changes to everything we do that burns fossil fuels.

Do you think anyone can be blamed for using the system BEFORE we get started changing it?

The problem is that she frames the issue in similar terms as rape or other heinous behavior. It's like a prolific raper going on tour espousing the evils of rape.

I'm not accusing or equating her to such heinous behavior, but it's her own logical inconsistency that moves her rhetoric outside of serious consideration and closer to lunacy.

It's not enough to be passionate and intend well about something; you've also got to have solutions that work in a world that places constraints on reality.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

We do need to make major changes to everything we do that burns fossil fuels.

That's true. The question should be should we change the things or the doing.

I should go out and idle both my cars. They haven't run in a month.

edit:
Tucker Carlson said China does 29% of the world's pollution and India only 7%. So them that want carbon to go away should be pleased with the way things are going in China right now.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by freebeard

That's true. The question should be should we change the things or the doing.

I should go out and idle both my cars. They haven't run in a month.

Yes, we should all put the computer down.

Go outside and enjoy nature, go fishing, travel or build something.

Anything is better than this electronic pacifier.

Life is to short...



Like, I always wanted to build a swing set...

But didn’t have a reason to...




Now I do...





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