The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The weather channel is saying wettest year on record for all over and around MS.

Thought global warming was supposed to suppresse rain fall.

You are simply wrong - global warming is driving more evaporation - which causes more extreme droughts in some places and times, and more precipitation in other places and times.

And it is why we have more precipitation overall.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

You are conflating things, again. I seriously doubt your ability to draw scientific conclusions - especially when they are totally different than actual scientists.

Are we at a "solar maximum"? How is that related to below normal temperatures in some areas - or related to melting polar ice?

You haven't been paying attention at all.
You think we are in solar maximum? HA!
Now I know you really aren't paying attention to anything.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

You are simply wrong - global warming is driving more evaporation - which causes more extreme droughts in some places and times, and more precipitation in other places and times.

And it is why we have more precipitation overall.

That's funny because 10 years ago there were just as many papers coming out saying we were going to get less rain.

[freebeard]

You are conflating things, again....
Are we at a "solar maximum"?

I see a simple misapprehension.

Via Suspicious 0bservers this morning:

earthobservatory.nasa.gov: Global Green Up Slows Warming

Via Mac OS Summarize:

For example, Svalbard in the high-Arctic has seen a 30 percent increase in greenness, according to Rama Nemani of NASA’s Ames Research Center, a co-author of the review paper in Nature Reviews Earth & Environment.

...There is an interesting consequence of this global green up: as vegetation consumes some of the heat-trapping carbon dioxide it also performs evapotranspiration—a function similar to human sweating—which can have a cooling effect on the air.

...“It is ironic that the very same carbon emissions responsible for harmful changes to climate are also fertilizing plant growth,” said co-author Jarle Bjerke of the Norwegian Institute for Nature Research, “which in turn is somewhat moderating global warming.”


...The second map shows what the green-up might look like in the future based on the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP5) climate model, under a scenario in which increases in greenhouse gases lead to almost 5° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit) of warming by the end of the 21st century.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Scientists Continue Developing Alternative Energy Sources For Americans To Waste

;-)

It's what drives consumer-capitalism! Ask Mary Barra.Her company has been wasting tooling for close to a hundred years now.It's how you protect the Paris Dressmakers.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

oil pan- just because our resident name-caller got banned doesn't mean that void needed to be filled.

What oil pan 4 says kinda resonates with me.It would be like Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez hopping from a HUMMER and into a power yacht.If folks want to beat the climate drum and presume the ethical and moral high ground,they better understand that,they're under a microscope,and folks are watching the 'dance' as well as the 'talk.' President Clinton used to burn 100,000-gallons of jet- fuel,flying to the West Coast and back for a haircut,maybe stopping in to visit daughter Chelsea while on the way.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The weather channel is saying wettest year on record for all over and around MS.

Thought global warming was supposed to suppresse rain fall.

The warmer it gets,the more evaporation,and increased relative humidity (latent heat).You can see these atmospheric rivers coming in off the Equatorial Pacific Basin,and once it experiences enough condensation nuclei at supersaturation temperature,we get the extreme precipitation events.The Jet Stream affects all that.And the Polar Vortex affects the Jet Stream.And the Polar Vortex is a function of polar heat.
We've had over 8-inches rain for the year so far.A very unusual 'winter.' I've got lichens and English moss growing on the truck.At breakfast,this morning,one of the retirees mentioned that he's only been able to play a single round of golf for the year.It's interesting.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Not only that, but not even so much as a thank you for the unseasonably pleasant weather.

I'm burning less natural gas this winter due to the mild weather.

I killed my first mosquito for 2020 in the house last night.Appreciate it!

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Well all this circles back to my point that research is done myopically, focusing only on potential problems with global warming because there are no research funds available for people who research how things will get better. Nobody pays for good news. That means we'll only hear negative stuff.

Perhaps there is a long term net negative for global warming, but we'll never know because the research is so lopsided and probably lacks input from economists and medical doctors.

Then there's always my unanswered question of when did/will global warming switch from being a net benefit to a net harm? The 1 source I found gave an estimate of 70 more years for us to have a net benefit, and after that a slight net negative.

It's Wednesday, so I'll stop here and let aerohead catch up.

I can testify from reading the science journals,that it's a fact that, economists have been involved in climate research since day-one,because of the economic implications it possesses.It's also why the IPCC handles the reports with kid gloves.It takes very little to meltdown Wall Street and they know it.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

It is now that all the "global desertification" predictions have been wrong.

Keep an eye on tropical mountain glacier retreat.This is where it's beginning.Some communities have already been completely abandoned for lack of snow/ice melt.Thousands of others are dead due to mountain lake ruptures and floods caused by the rapid melting.The lakes will go.The rivers will cease to flow.There'll be no 'downstream' irrigation.The USA won't escape it either.