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Old 03-25-2020, 04:33 PM   #8601 (permalink)
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The common view here in Europe is that we're the ones fighting to save the climate while the oil producing countries and the US in particular are lagging badly with extremely high carbon emissions per capita, far worse in fact than your favorite hated commies.
How can you accuse others of non-participating...?

That said, we are far from perfect, and it is not a contest. Every measure against global warming helps, no matter where.
Commies are relative saints in the CO2 arena precisely because that system is inefficient at allocating labor resources and optimizing labor output. I don't hate them, I feel bad that they have been wrapped up in a failed idea, either voluntarily or involuntarily.

The Netherlands largest company is Royal Dutch Shell. It's like the cocaine dealer saying they are trying to cut back.

I do believe Europe is ahead of the curve in self-loathing, something which I see increasing in the US. The more that "advanced" societies convince people that their lives are meaningless and that their existence is a blight on the world, the less motivation people have to live.



My only hope for the US is that we learn from the early failings of Europe in time to make course corrections. That isn't to say that everything European countries does is a bad idea, or that there aren't things we should adopt to make the US better, but in general Europe is seeding their own destruction.

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Old 03-25-2020, 05:01 PM   #8602 (permalink)
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The common view here in Europe is that we're the ones fighting to save the climate while the oil producing countries and the US in particular are lagging badly with extremely high carbon emissions per capita, far worse in fact than your favorite hated commies.
That is an accurate view. The USA's emission per capita are twice Europe's and it isn't like Europeans are living a deprived existence.

 
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:50 PM   #8603 (permalink)
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The common view here in Europe is that we're the ones fighting to save the climate....
That is an accurate view.
Not substantiated by your graph.
It appears that Mexico and India are on the right side of the equation.

What about the Happy Country? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Bhutan
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Bhutan remains overall carbon-neutral and a net sink for greenhouse gases.[8][9][10] As Bhutan develops and modernizes, however, its domestic demand for energy in household, commercial, and industrial sectors has steadily increased.[11] A full transition to renewable energy will make Bhutan one of the main winners in the global energy transition; it is ranked no. 4 in the index of geopolitical gains and losses after energy transition (GeGaLo Index).[12]
Iceland is #1 on that Index.
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Not substantiated by your graph.
Is is not clear to you that the EU's bar is half the height of the USA's bar? Are you wearing your glasses?

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It appears that Mexico and India are on the right side of the equation.
Mexico and India have SIGNIFICANTLY lower standard of living compared to the USA and the EU.

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Iceland is #1 on that Index.
Iceland is a tiny island with huge reserves of geothermal and hydroelectric energy.
 
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Are you wearing your glasses?
I take them off to read. Thanks for asking.

Maybe World Average being a dotted outline is why you didn't notice it.

Mexico and India, and Iceland stake out the extremes. Personally, I think neither USoA's nor Europe's level of technology will take us off planet. Manufactured goods should either drop out of orbit or pop up from underground facilities.
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I take them off to read. Thanks for asking.

Maybe World Average being a dotted outline is why you didn't notice it.

Mexico and India, and Iceland stake out the extremes. Personally, I think neither USoA's nor Europe's level of technology will take us off planet. Manufactured goods should either drop out of orbit or pop up from underground facilities.
So because the EU is above the average is doesn't matter if a person in the USA produces twice the carbon as a person in the EU?

Sorry, I'm not getting your point.
 
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Sorry, I'm not getting your point.
Simply that both the [different] cases you are contrasting are above the World average, and that a better world is possible.

I think professional sports and air travel are headed in a good direction.

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Is it possible that the EU is not a monolith:


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ive-deaths.svg

That's a logarithmic scale
. It appears to be an inversion of political correctness.
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Simply that both the [different] cases you are contrasting are above the World average, and that a better world is possible.
Yes, the EU's emissions are above the global average. It still remains that the USA's CO2 per captia is double that of the EU and they are taking measures to reduce it while we are rolling back reduction efforts.

Which comes back to the original statement I commented on:

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"The common view here in Europe is that we're the ones fighting to save the climate while the oil producing countries and the US in particular are lagging badly with extremely high carbon emissions per capita
Why do people in Europe believe that the USA has very high carbon emissions? Because our emissions are twice as high as their's per capita.

Why do they believe we are lagging behind? Because we are currently rolling back even the modest half-measures of the past and breaking commitments made.

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Is it possible that the EU is not a monolith:
It is a certainly that the EU is not a monolith just as the USA is not a monolith.

Some states are trying to fix the problem or at least reduce harm while others have the heads in the sand still trying to claim there is no problem. (And yes you can break that down to the city, town, until you get to the individual level)

 
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