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Old 10-18-2020, 03:33 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Well it turns out fuel load not weather or climate change determines wild fire danger.
So one less thing the cali political flunkies can blame on climate change.

What I don't get is how someone can say they're an environmentalist when clearly dont even understand basic merit badge level forestry.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-00920-8

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I paid ~$2.80 a gallon, last night.

The relatively strict emissions standards have done a lot. But even the cleaner-burning cars and trucks (diesel particulate filter) emit boatloads of carbon dioxide. How much fossil fuel does the US burn every day? That's a big, constant fire.

You have some illogical arguments in there, but we're working on that.

It's not unusual for some people to moan about California. Any idea why you do?

You don't think climate change is real, or it's not caused by human behavior, or what?
The United States burns about 20 million barrels of oil and that's only 1/3 of the total energy used.

Enjoy the break in $4 a gallon gas prices.

Last place 6 time in a row is doing a lot?
Bahahahahahahahahaha
You're funny.

When ever California is on fire we get the smoke, they are trying to export their failed political ideas and refugees here.

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Old 10-18-2020, 04:42 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Well it turns out fuel load not weather or climate change determines wild fire danger.
So one less thing the cali political flunkies can blame on climate change.
It's all about the aerosols.

If I might wax conspiratorial, it's like BLM and BLM are conspiring....
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The bureau of land management says at least 90% of fires are ignited by people due to ignorance and malice.
Never understood how that is the fault of climate change.
So they aren't ignited by climate change and fuel load determines the danger level not weather and climate change.
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Well it turns out fuel load not weather or climate change determines wild fire danger.
So one less thing the cali political flunkies can blame on climate change.

What I don't get is how someone can say they're an environmentalist when clearly dont even understand basic merit badge level forestry.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-00920-8
That paper is on boreal forests, which are located in northern Minnesota and Alaska, not the western states that had/have recent wildfires.

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It's what Dylan called a 'scrapegoat'

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Elsewhere his word choice has been even more head-scratching. In "Ballad in Plain D," from the 1964 album Another Side of Bob Dylan, he sings: The constant scrapegoat, she was easily undone By the jealousy of others around her.* In the official published lyrics, the line is "corrected" to scapegoat, but he clearly sings scrapegoat.

'Scapegoat' - the meaning and origin of this word
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'Scrapegoat' is now pretty well-established and can be found in many printed sources. Bob Dylan, endlessly poetically inventive but not overly concerned with grammatical propriety, used it in Ballad in Plain D, 1964: Of the two sisters, I loved the young With sensitive instincts, she was the creative one The constant scrapegoat, she was easily ...
BLM: we shan't be faulted for not raking the forests.

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The United States burns about 20 million barrels of oil and that's only 1/3 of the total energy used.
Is that 20 million barrels used (burned?) per millisecond, century, millenium?

The following is a huge fire burning, every day! And that looks to be only gasoline. The daily diesel fire isn't quite as large.
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In 2019, about 142.71 billion gallons (or about 3.40 billion barrels1) of finished motor gasoline were consumed in the United States, an average of about 390.98 million gallons (or about 9.31 million barrels) per day. There are 42 U.S. gallons in a barrel. Sep 4, 2020
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The bureau of land management says at least 90% of fires are ignited by people due to ignorance and malice.
Never understood how that is the fault of climate change.
So they aren't ignited by climate change and fuel load determines the danger level not weather and climate change.
Nobody but you, that I'm aware of, has claimed that fires are started by climate disruption.

The wildfires and forests are not a one-dimensional issue/subject, and the people I've heard talk about the recent fires haven't been one-dimensional in blaming climate change. Your hyper-focus on California and general disdain for whatever it is you go on about doesn't help anything in any way, except maybe it helps you feel comfortable.

I lived in the foothills. The power company came through and cut down sick trees. A large percentage of trees in California mountain areas are dead or dying because of the drought, which makes the trees more susceptible to bark beetles.

I used to go to a film festival put on by a forest watch group. They said much (if not the majority) of the treed land is privately owned by one person. They also talked about clearcutting as seen from above, that you can't tell what's going on from the mountain highways.

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My aunt's former husband wrote a whistleblower book on forestry: "The Taking of the Tongass: Alaska's Rainforest" by Bill Shoaf.

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The Decimation of the World's Largest Temperate Rainforest as told by the man who planned the logging of it! What would make a dedicated U.S. Forest Service employee, a dyed-in-the-wool "timber beast," become a whistleblower against the timber sale he personally created? Why would environmental groups seek to silence him? What went on in the dark, rainy isolation that is Southeast Alaska?

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"The Taking of the Tongass: Alaska's Rainforest" is a book about trust and betrayal; about truth and lies; about dedication and despair. The book details (Bill) Shoaf's robust devotion to the land and its ability to sustain flora and fauna native to its resources- wildlife, water and fish - as well as sustaining a timber harvest level compatible with conservation and commerce. In narrative style you are led through a maze of incident-based discussion in an easy-paced conversational fashion, one that informs, entertains, irritates and infuriates. Instead of an "Index" Shoaf offers a "List of Characters." It's like a theatrical playbill, though the "actors" are real, the dialog and discussion factual, and as Shoaf penned in the opening note: "The characters, events, places, corporations and agencies are real, based upon the author's recollections and documented evidence. Any resemblance to fictitious characters, events, corporations or agencies is strictly coincidental and is unintentional." -- Frank Garred, Sequim Gazette

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"Historic Fires Devastate the U.S. Pacific Coast"

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Climate and fire scientists have long anticipated that fires in the U.S. West would grow larger, more intense, and more dangerous. But even the most experienced among them have been at a loss for words in describing the scope and intensity of the fires burning in West Coast states in September 2020.

Lightning initially triggered many of the fires, but it was unusual and extreme meteorological conditions that turned some of them into the worst conflagrations in the region in decades. Record-breaking air temperatures, periods of unusually dry air, and blasts of fierce winds—on top of serious drought in some areas—led fires to ravage forests and loft vast plumes of smoke to rarely seen heights.

“We had a perfect storm of meteorological factors come together that encouraged extreme burning,” said Vincent Ambrosia, the associate program manager for wildfire research in NASA’s Earth Applied Sciences Program. “That was layered on top of shifting climate patterns—a long term drying and warming of both the air and vegetation—that is contributing to the growing trend we are seeing toward larger, higher-intensity fires in the U.S. West.”

The buildup of fuels may be another relevant factor. Human efforts to extinguish most fires over the past 120 years has led to an increase in old, overgrown forests in the West that burn intensely when they catch fire, explained Ambrosia.
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