The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[sgtlethargic]

Do you like Oregon?

The sustained warmth has seen six of the 20 largest fires on record in California all occur this year. In Oregon, the spate of fires burned almost twice the amount of average annual losses in a week.

In California, a prolonged drought over the past decade has killed millions of trees, turning them into potent fuel for the fires. Mountain regions that are normally cooler and wetter have dried out more rapidly in the summer, adding to the potential fuel load.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Nobody but you, that I'm aware of, has claimed that fires are started by climate disruption.

The wildfires and forests are not a one-dimensional issue/subject, and the people I've heard talk about the recent fires haven't been one-dimensional in blaming climate change. Your hyper-focus on California and general disdain for whatever it is you go on about doesn't help anything in any way, except maybe it helps you feel comfortable.

I lived in the foothills. The power company came through and cut down sick trees. A large percentage of trees in California mountain areas are dead or dying because of the drought, which makes the trees more susceptible to bark beetles.

I used to go to a film festival put on by a forest watch group. They said much ( if not the majority) of the treed land is privately owned by one person. They also talked about clearcutting as seen from above, that you can't tell what's going on from the mountain highways.

Your idiot Governorsaid it was climate change causing the fires.
Trashing California definitely makes me feel better.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Your idiot Governorsaid it was climate change causing the fires.
Trashing California definitely makes me feel better.

Maybe you can find a credible quote that supports your claim?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Maybe you can find a credible quote that supports your claim?

climate fire

It to longer to type this then it did to find that. You must really be helpless.

[sgtlethargic]

"US wildfires fuelled by climate change, California **** says"

Climate scientists had forecast that western wildfires would grow in size, scale and impact - but their predictions are coming to fruition faster than expected.

"The debate is over, around climate change," Mr *** told reporters. "This is a climate damn emergency. This is real and it's happening."

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-54128872

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

https://youtu.be/lr-tBaFGRyg

It to longer to type this then it did to find that. You must really be helpless.

It's a matter of how it's framed. Look at how this reporter framed it and look at the actual quotes.

[frame] "****: Climate Change Responsible for California Wildfires" [/frame]

As the Bay Area and other parts of California deal with the devastating effects of raging wildfires, **** on Friday [frame] attacked the idea that the fires are natural in any way. He said the cause is climate change [/frame] and said anyone who thinks differently is in denial.

"The debate is over around climate change," **** said as he toured a burn area in Northern California. "Just come to the state of California. Observe it with your own eyes. It’s not an intellectual debate. It’s not even debatable any longer."

He also said he's "exhausted that we have to continue to bait this issue."

"This is a climate damn emergency," he said. "This is real."

And with your perspective, you're framing it even worse.

[sgtlethargic]

In Oregon, the spate of fires burned almost twice the amount of average annual losses in a week.

Almost two years of damage done in a week!

Would anyone living in Oregon like to comment?

[freebeard]

One minute delta.

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

If someone is replying to something specific in a comment, or just generally, others have a better chance of knowing who or what the reply is about if the quote function is used.

One might conclude that a six minute delta [03:00 PM—03:07 PM] without a specific call-out was pitched to the prior poster.

Do you like Oregon?

Further South it's too hot in Summer, further North it's too cold in Winter. If I need to bug out it will be Boise, Idaho. Idaho was part of the Oregon Territory (1848-1859). Boise was the largest city in the PNW at the time, bigger than Seattle and Portland combined.

A defining feature in State history was the Tillamook Burn (1933-1951).

The Tillamook Burn was a series of forest fires in the Northern Oregon Coast Range of Oregon in the United States that destroyed a total area of 350,000 acres (1,400 km2) of old growth timber in what is now known as the Tillamook State Forest. There were four wildfires in this series, which spanned the years of 1933–1951. By association, the name Tillamook Burn also refers to the location of these fires. This event is an important part of the local history of Oregon.

This year there were four major fires any two of which equal the Tillamook* Burn.

So you two agree that Knewsome started it?

"The debate is over around climate change," Newsom said

Especially in the old Climate Consensus thread. "Case closed" and "End of story" are a tell, according to Scott Adams.

[frame] attacked the idea that the fires are natural in any way. He said the cause is climate change [/frame]

Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. "It isn't that, so it has to be the other thing." Accelerationists gonna accelerate. ....with accelerants.


*If vBulletin polices my use of their/they're, why doesn't it know how to spell Tillamook? I mean, really.

edit:
I found this interesting, and somewhat on-topic:

Forests in the olden days

Medieval forests were managed as intensively as the Mayan rainforest.

They were burnt off to facilitate hunting.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Further South it's too hot in Summer, further North it's too cold in Winter.

Just move with the changing climate! Or hang around and see what the next changes will be.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

If I need to bug out it will be Boise, Idaho.

I'll go to New Mexico. And I'm packing my "failed policies."

I visited a friend in Taos, in the late 80s. The skiing was nice.

I'd build a straw bale house (No, not a StupiDome! Don't even post that ****.)