The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[freebeard]

La Palma is not quietening down.

Vulcanism is the fast track....

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

The CCP freaked out over a black swan in Tiananmen Square.

Would this qualify as a 'black swan'? duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+demonetize+climate+discussion&ia=web

I say 'discussion' where Youtube calls it 'denial'. You can't talk about it there, like certain other things.

I believe that we've been instructed not to discuss this sort of thing.
Scientifically, a 'black swan' event would have to do with crossing some statistical 'threshold', based upon some historical empirical database and state-of-the-art numerical modelling.
The all-time-record heat wave, which struck ( and remained struck ) in Anchorage, Alaska in 2020 for instance, would qualify as a black swan.
Water temperatures in the Bering and Chukchi seas.
Arctic wild fires.
Arctic permafrost loss.
Arctic methane release.
Greenland ice sheet loss.
Freshwater pulse to polar seas.
Ocean desalinization.
Ocean surface water warming.
Ocean mid-water warming.
Ocean deep-water warming.
Polar ice-shelf melting from below.
Ocean thermal expansion.
Seal level rise.
Ocean acidification.
Mountain glacier loss.
Climate refugees.
Tropical cyclone rapid-intensification.
The Northern 80% Great Barrier Reef, heated-sea water, toxic algal coral die-off and bleaching, ditto.
On -and - on - and ...............................

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

La Palma is not quietening down.

Vulcanism is the fast track....

La Palma is part of a 23-volcano and volcanic sea mount chain, near a permanent magma plume and tectonic plate boundary.
They'll be eruptions there for billions of years to come.

[freebeard]

Scientifically, a 'black swan' event would have to do with crossing some statistical 'threshold', based upon some historical empirical database and state-of-the-art numerical modelling.

The term is more common in economic circles. The deviation into unexpected realms must also be unpredictable.

[aerohead]

Exactly! The changes some of the investigators are witnessing are accelerating at a pace which outstrips even some of the most 'fringe' guestimates.

[redpoint5]

Change doesn't imply "good" or "bad". The only constant thing with climate on earth has been change.

[aerohead]

Climate change's bad rap comes from the associated timescales witnessed.
It's already 'too fast' for some, and it's accelerating.
Extant atmospheric carbon dioxide will remain for 1,000-years.
Not only are we not removing it, we've done virtually nothing to halt its growth.
Plants and animals can't evolve fast enough to keep pace.
Their habitats are disappearing.
There's no 'place' to go.
Wealthy can attempt adaptation and relocation. At great cost.
Some estimate that every $1 not spent today on mitigation will cost us $6 in the long run. But 28.4-cents / capita /day, borrowed at zero % interest is clearly to 'too much' to spend. We'll just kick the can down the road, as we have since 1957, when we first learned we had a problem.
People being what people are, will no doubt be looking at a ton of cure, compared to the ounce of prevention.
Strange reality, no fiction could imagine.

[oil pan 4]

If CO2 was going to really kill us all we would have stopped using coal for power generation in the 1990s and most of the base load would be covered by nuclear.
Since the global warming believers are more scared of nuclear than their climate change dooms day religion, you know it's fake.

[aerohead]

Heroin's been known to be dangerous since 1913, but that didn't stop a good friend's daughter from overdosing a week ago. Dead at age 33. Three kids and a husband left behind.
Carbon dioxide appears to be even more addictive. We'll accept a planet without life, however, not a planet without carbon dioxide.
There are explanations, but they're not allowed.
I'll go so far as to say that, by 1957, public ignorance had already been fully monetized.
Without the kind of information which leads to the kind of knowledge which might have stopped carbon in its tracks long ago, we remain at a stalemate, which is perfect for vested interests positioned to profit from the way things are.
Follow the money.
Caveat Empty

[freebeard]

Tobacco cigarettes were called 'coffin nails' in the 1950s. I think they're still available?

Thorium reactors were a thing then, too. Still not here.

Opportunity cost is when you spend a metric b*tt-load of money to curtail CO2 production, when less investment would result in mass conversion of atmospheric CO2 and water to liquid jet fuel using above-baseline renewable energy.