The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[freebeard]

On the other hand.... we have a wart.

No seriously; They focus on production while consumption get breadcrumbs. Boxes with insulation? It's time to think inside the bubble.

[redpoint5]

Always wondered why we don't have homes in the sea. Stable temperature and impervious to weather. Plenty of available "acres" too.

[aerohead]

Wind and solar were cheaper than coal and natural gas, by 1989.
However, coal and natural gas were never required to make a full accounting of their actual cost to society. Therefore, there's been an 'illusion' about 'prices' and 'costs.' Magic.

One can try and complicate the issue, but this is the crux of the matter.
And as long as the 'Due Process Clause' of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution continues to recognize corporations as 'persons', those persons ( with virtually-unlimited economic resources from unpaid reparations ) will have an enormous political war chest to help kill off any, and all legislation which would attempt to usurp their hegemony.
It's not 'free-market' capitalism they really desire.

[freebeard]

They're taking the corn out of the mouths of our beef and dairy cattle. It's like they think depopulation is just right around that corner right there. Hmmm.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Always wondered why we don't have homes in the sea. Stable temperature and impervious to weather. Plenty of available "acres" too.

A Yellow Submarine in an Octopuses Garden?

I refer again to marine Electrodeposition Wolf Hilbertz – Home.

I've had the IEEE paper http://www.wolfhilbertz.com/download..._IEEE_1979.pdf since the 1970s and I spoke with him on the phone.

The Estate of Wolf Hilbertz would also like to clarify the following:

The patents and trademarks have expired. The technology can be used freely. Using electrolysis specifically to grow construction material and artificial reefs was a novel approach in the 1970s and 80s. Hilbertz patented and trademarked the process, and eventually developed additional patents in partnership with others. All U.S. and international patents have since expired.

Nonetheless, practical experience with the technology has always been - and remains - crucial to successful outcomes. The Estate remains interested in providing access to such resources where possible.

Wolf Hilbertz is the sole inventor of mineral accretion. Hilbertz invented the process for creating structures in seawater in 1976. Scientific work on the topic of mineral accretion was first published by Wolf Hilbertz in the IEEE Journal of Oceanic Engineering in 1979. Wolf Hilbertz was, however, always deeply collaborative in approach. He never failed to credit others for critical roles in the development or, as he might have put it, ‘evolution’ of the process.

In this spirit, we aim for a transparent and collaborative culture surrounding the use and further development of mineral accretion. We encourage eager minds ranging from scientists and students to divers and doers to spark underwater change.

[redpoint5]

Such displacement of water would necessitate an insane anchor to keep the structure submerged.

Building into earth probably makes a lot more sense.

Less repercussions playing indoor baseball, too.

[aerohead]

As the oceans take up more and more CO2, the pH will continue to fall ,as carbonic acid concentration rises.
There will come a point where existing calcium carbonate shells and shellfish will go away. Coral reefs as well.
Minerva's Castle, at Yellowstone National Park demonstrates this process in reverse.

[redpoint5]

I thought the latest on so-called acidification (less basicifation) of the sea was that corals are fine?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I thought the latest on so-called acidification (less basicifation) of the sea was that corals are fine?

I'm hearing, around 33% of photopic-zone corral lost already, and all of it, once some specific sea surface temperature is reached.
The polyps initially bleach, then die.
A tremendous amount of the world's shallow coastal fisheries depend on the reefs for habitat, but they are extremely sensitive to heat.
Biologists ARE attempting to grow more heat-tolerant varieties of corral. It's a work in progress.
And there ARE corrals which exist at deeper depths, where there's less light. I don't know if they can survive in warmer, brighter, more shallow water.
If scuba-diving the Great Barrier Reef is on your bucket list, you may not want to wait too long.
From: PBS' Climate Change: The Facts',
1/3rd of corrals have experienced bleaching/death, warned about in 1988.
Also, the dust storms which blow across the Atlantic Ocean from the Sahel, while GOOD for the Amazon Basin, KILL corrals in the Caribbean Sea. As oceans continue to warm ( they've already warmed 1/2-degree Celsius ( 0.9-degree F ), they'll feed additional heat energy into the atmosphere, likely amplifying wind energy as well as water vapor ( the Indian Ocean has warmed the most, killing over a thousand since June in Pakistan, destroying 1/3 of homes, and 1/3rd of population now refugees, with no water, food or shelter ), a 'hoax' according to Rex Tillerson, ' a money-making industry.'

[oil pan 4]

PBS = Pure BS

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

PBS = Pure BS

And 'Public' to boot!