Coal power

[redpoint5]

I like open concept (I call it open reality, because once you build it, it's no longer a concept), but not wide open.

[freebeard]

I'll take that for a please. It will all be released under Creative Commons CC0.

Give me a few hours days.

[JSH]

[QUOTE=sendler;582334]
The electric company is taking a big loss with any net metering that they are forced to pay out. [quote]

No they aren't. They just aren't being paid twice for the line charges. The utilities make no money on net metered kWhs but lose no money either.


Maybe real numbers will help. In the spreadsheet below is a very simple utility with 2 customers. 1 has solar, one doesn't. In the month the utility generates 1 kWh, sells it to Home 1, Home 1 generates one kWh and sells it back into the grid for a full credit. Home 2 uses that kWh and is billed for it by the utility. The net result is that utility is paid in full for the 1 kWh it generated.

The second example is what utilities want. In that case they treat customers that feed power back into the grid like a neighboring utility that they buy power from. In that case the utility makes 40% more for the 1 kWh they generated.

You asked above where I was getting my numbers for peak vs off-peak price. They are directly from my utility. That is what PGE (Portland General Electric) charges for time of use billing. See attached.

[redpoint5]

Wow, $0.042/kWh is commercial/industrial pricing!

I'd install a Powerwall, charge at night, and go battery power by day.

Quick math, opportunity cost excluded...

Powerwall $8,000 installed
Flat rate electricity plan at $0.11/kWh

360 kWh per month from the Powerwall at $0.042 /kWh = $15.12

You'd save about $25/mo by only consuming the cheap energy.

...26 year payback. Nevermind.

[sendler]

$0.04/ kWh is just the electricity. I pay another .08 in line fees and taxes for a total of around $0.12/ kWh at the bottom of my bill.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Wow, $0.042/kWh is commercial/industrial pricing!

Look at the note at the bottom. That is just the rate for generation. There is another $0.045 for transmission / distribution. That makes the off-peak $0.087 per kWh.

[redpoint5]

I don't get why your rates are so comparatively bad. 10 miles north of you I pay $0.08/kWh with Clark PUC. 40 miles south I'm paying $0.11/kWh with the same exact utility company. How can they price discriminate within the same utility?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I don't get why your rates are so comparatively bad. 10 miles north of you I pay $0.08/kWh with Clark PUC. 40 miles south I'm paying $0.11/kWh with the same exact utility company. How can they price discriminate within the same utility?

My electricity rate is the same as yours at $0.11 / kWh. PGE customers have the choice of Basic Service (flat rate) or Time-of-Use

[oil pan 4]

Trump's EPA to maintain Obama-era coal plant curbs, with a twist | MINING.com

Power companies like AEP have spent 8.8 billion dollars since 2001 to reduce Hg output by 95%, but the EPA insists that most of the health benefits of the new scrubber tech has been from the removal of particle matter from the air.

[oil pan 4]