07-08-2008, 02:07 AM
|
#31 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 154
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
This whole thread wouldn't even exist if people were actually taught how to drive in driver's ed. Definitely, things like EOCing should not be done without knowing the way the car responds and a driver is sufficiently experienced, but this knowledge and experience doesn't take long to aquire. Knowing how to react when a car looses power is vastly safer than not knowing whether you're killing the power on purpose or not. My drivers ed teacher went over with us what the proper reaction was and tested us on it. If no other drivers were around and everything was under control, he'd reach over and kill the ignition or bump it into neutral. Obviously he didn't test the twitchy kids that could barely keep it between the lines like this, some us farm kids had been driving since we were 12 and were getting bored.
__________________
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to extragoode For This Useful Post:
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 03:14 AM
|
#32 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Lurker
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 27
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet
I drive the speed limit, so if someone wrecks because of me obeying the law, then it's their problem, not mine.
|
amen to that!
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 05:52 AM
|
#33 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 124
Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts
|
There was a report on CNN about the pitfalls of hypermiling. The woman who was advising against it has probably 1.) never been financially strapped enough to care & b.) has never been in the car with a hypermiler at the wheel.
EOC can be dangerous if you don't know the limitations of your vehicle - which is why it is always advisable to test EOCing on a flat surface away from traffic before you do it on a main road. The most egregious part of the whole segment was not only did they advise against EOC, but they also advised against neutral coasting! They cited that you "lose control of the car". How so? Yes, you do gain speed quicker, but as the driver it is incumbent of you to slow down when you gain too much speed anyway! This fact is independent of whether or not you're coasting in N or D.
argh. getting off the soapbox now.
__________________
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 11:30 AM
|
#34 (permalink)
|
EV OR DIESEL
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Louisiana
Posts: 1,758
Thanks: 57
Thanked 113 Times in 86 Posts
|
I did get rear ended driving 60 ish in a 70. Guy did claim that my driving to slow caused the accident. IMHO it was more of road rage on his part.
However it wasn't hypermiling, it was a side affect of 4:30 gears driving back from the track.
__________________
2016 Tesla Model X
2022 Sprinter
Gone 2012 Tesla Model S P85
Gone 2013 Nissan LEAF SV
2012 Nissan LEAF SV
6 speed ALH TDI Swapped in to a 2003 Jetta Wagon
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 01:44 PM
|
#35 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northwest Lower Michigan
Posts: 1,006
Thanks: 8
Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicradish
but they also advised against neutral coasting! They cited that you "lose control of the car". How so? Yes, you do gain speed quicker, but as the driver it is incumbent of you to slow down when you gain too much speed anyway! This fact is independent of whether or not you're coasting in N or D.
argh. getting off the soapbox now.
|
Agreed. Another thing is that at least in this part of the great white north, a well known tip for driving on icy roads is to pop it in neutral when rolling up to a stop. That way you have more control since youve only got gravity and momentum to contend with, and youre not fighting the drivetrain as well.
Now I think about it (Im not exactly in winter mode here), there are many times I put it in neutral going downhill on icy roads for the exact same reason. Engine braking only slows 2 wheels and is more likely to send me skidding than using the brake pedal which slows 4 wheels. Many ways of hypermiling are similar to winter driving; slow down, use little throttle, use little brake, use neutral to avoid engine braking.
Its like if something is California emissions legal, it is good for anywhere else in the US. If a technique is good for the extremes of driving on ice, it certainly shouldnt be considered unsafe on dry road.
__________________
Winter daily driver, parked most days right now
Summer daily driver
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 02:12 PM
|
#36 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Lurker
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Eastern Washington.
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
I finally got to read the full story. This AAA story is making the rounds with news stations. Don't be surprised that this story sticks around for two weeks.
Because of Hypermiling, I am saving 25% more gas, 25% less I have to buy!
__________________
2000 Suzuki Swift
2001 Chevy Metro
1983 Electric Ford Escort
|
|
|
07-08-2008, 02:12 PM
|
#37 (permalink)
|
Depends on the Day
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kansas City Area
Posts: 1,761
Thanks: 31
Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gascort
Oh, of course, the rabbit is fine - I hammered the brakes and locked up all 4 tires (no abs). So much for the sensationalist "no power brakes = death!!!" I'm not sure if my grill block hit the bunny or not, but it ended up running forward in front of my car in the end.
Low grill block + nosedive due to braking = small pet cattleguard!!
|
Same here, but with a deer. Full ABS stop with EOC. Bambi and everyone was fine. The airbags were even ready just in case!
Quote:
Originally Posted by garys_1k
If someone was hyperdriving and involved in a fatality accident, what was posted by that person here could be used against them. Could involve some big money, maybe jail if it could be shown that negligence was involved. It's just the cautionary person in me that wants to warn people not to get too specific, that's all.
|
I have an OBD-II datalogger that pretty much just sits collecting dust (Davis CarChip E/X) since I hooked up the SG. It has an accident data capture program (with fore/aft g-meter). It also shows engine RPM, speed, and other parameters. I'm half-temped to hook it up in case the above-mentioned ever becomes an issue. I only EOC around 5% of the time or less, but I know what you mean.
The problem is splitting the OBD signal for both devices so they don't compete with one another. I'm sure there's a solution.
RH77
__________________
“If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research” ― Albert Einstein
_
_
|
|
|
05-12-2012, 05:45 PM
|
#38 (permalink)
|
Frugal Ecomodder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Southwest Florida
Posts: 12
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by garys_1k
Hmm, I wonder if a post here could be subpoenaed in the case of a criminal or civil trial. Someone admitting driving "unusually" could leave themselves very wide open to much doo-doo.
|
Anything you post on a public forum can be used as evidence in a trial, provided a judge allows it in as evidence.
__________________
|
|
|
05-17-2012, 02:07 PM
|
#39 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ellington, ct
Posts: 830
Thanks: 44
Thanked 104 Times in 80 Posts
|
In my opinion the most dangerous thing about driving is driver fatigue. I am not talking about driving 20 hrs straight. I am talking about middle of the day driving where a lack of sensory input causes one to nod off. I am particularly prone to this and think it is a worse problem than drinking and driving.
The nice thing about aggressive hypermiling is that it requires you to think and continually do things. This causes you to stay awake.
Therefore, IMO, hypermiling is not a safety hazard. Infact it has a positive safety benefit.
|
|
|
05-17-2012, 02:45 PM
|
#40 (permalink)
|
Drive less save more
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
|
I do not think anybody has a right to drive below the posted speed limit(weather permitting) if they are holding back other drivers. Pull over let everyone pass you,show some road manners,its not all about your gas mileage, its about getting good mpg not being a turd on the road to get it. It just shows incompetency and causes undue stress to other commuters.
__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________
|
|
|
|