08-26-2008, 09:22 AM
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I am a satisfied user...
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Because cmslick3's first post is in this thread, I'd caution all readers to be suspicious of motives/authenticity and skeptical of what he reports.
Personally, I'd dismiss this post.
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08-26-2008, 09:25 AM
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I will assume, for one moment that all Pulstar claims are true...
It cannot be easy to bring a "legit" product to market with the promise of fuel savings. There are just too many scams out there. I think it is great that you have chosen to post here, and I do not envy you the challenges you as a company face due to all of the scams.
I have thought about your plugs, but the ROI is just a little long for me (assuming a 6% gain). That and it seems that most things do not work on three cylinder engines to the extent they do on larger 4,6, and 8 cylinder motors.
Again, thank you for posting here.
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08-26-2008, 09:40 AM
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I would like to see more effort put into questioning their own methods and see them starting with the assumption that they DON'T equal a 6% mpg gain in the real world when carefully scrutinized. Sometimes claims becomes fraud and CEOs go to jail.
I don't know if cmslick3 is in cohorts, the admins have more technical insight, he signed up in july and has a fuel log, but testimonials are pretty useless in any event. I thought Franks was funny though Along the lines of THANK YOU EPA! LOL
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08-26-2008, 10:08 AM
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Pulstar apparently does NOT follow EPA recommended test procedure
In its document "EPA Motor Vehicle Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program", an "EPA-approved" test methodology is described specifically for evaluating devices that claim to save fuel or reduce emissions. ( EPA link source: fuelsaving.info)
Based on that document, Pulstar's test procedure as outlined on its web site does not meet the EPA's standards for making fuel saving claims.
I would think that if a company genuinely believes they have a legitimate fuel saving product on hand, they would submit to the "gold standard" EPA approved test regimen.
If after entering the program, independent testing by approved methodology appears to indicate a significant (>5%) fuel efficiency improvement - and the company is claiming an average of 6% for Pulstars -then the EPA itself will perform confirmatory tests.
When you consider the financial windfall from being able to trumpet "EPA confirmed results" in product marketing, why wouldn't a company take this route?
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08-26-2008, 10:14 AM
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I don't know if cmslick3 is in cohorts
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Nothing personal against cmslick3.
But if my first forum post was a testimonial in this thread, I'd expect to be treated with extra suspicion. I'd be disappointed if I wasn't!
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08-26-2008, 11:21 AM
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SVOboy- I tried to find a PM button to click, but no luck.
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You can access your Private Message area by clicking " PMs" underneath "Welcome, whitevette" near the top right of every page.
You can also initiate a PM to any EM member by clicking their user name beside any of their posts and choosing "Send a private message to..." from the drop down menu.
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08-26-2008, 11:55 AM
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"PM" found!
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Originally Posted by MetroMPG
You can access your Private Message area by clicking "PMs" underneath "Welcome, whitevette" near the top right of every page.
You can also initiate a PM to any EM member by clicking their user name beside any of their posts and choosing "Send a private message to..." from the drop down menu.
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Oh! There 'tis! I didn't think to look for small print at the top of the page ... most (all?) forums have this button mixed in with the others ( at the bottom of the page). I'm still learning....
Thanks for the help! -whitevette
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08-26-2008, 12:06 PM
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I sent an email
Good Morning Sir,
I have been reading the information on Pulstar Plugs for some time now and had dismissed the claims as hogwash.
I re-read the thread @ Ecomodder.com this morning and noticed your input.
I drive a 1993 Geo Metro 3 cylinder 1 liter.
I would love to be your test guineas pig, but my vehicle is not OBD2 so I can not give accurate real time data.
My only collection point is tank to tank monitoring. We all seem to agree that is less than accurate at best.
I did just replace the engine with a unit that is 150K miles newer than my old one and the difference is very noticeable.
I have not even had my first fill up with the new engine and it appears to be getting much better mileage than my old one.
This is seat of the pants impression and I wouldn’t try to ask anyone to believe me based on these observations.
If, however, you would consider this to be a reasonable test vehicle I can offer weekly updates by moving my fill ups to a weekly schedule instead of my current as needed system. I would use my current plugs for one week and post results. I would then swap to Pulstar Plugs and go another week and post results. This form of A-B-A-B test is what the members of the forum are looking for. Then you would have a definite positive test base for your product.
Not a testimonial. Very few people believe in testimonials anymore. Most intelligent persons are looking for real world testing. I am offering to use my vehicle for some real world testing.
Please let me know whether or not you believe this would work for your needs.
Sincerely,
Paul W. Keim
Friends, Romans and Countrymen,
I sent this email to DParker@enerpulse.com
I am curious to see if they will or won't help in my car but I am too cheap to spend $100 on some untried product. I have been in this business for years and have seen many new things come and go. Splitfire plugs were one of my favorites. I would get a customer whose car was running poorly come into the shop and when I told them they needed new plugs I usually got a response like
"I just put new plugs in, it can't be that"
I would offer this to those people
"You allow me to put new plugs in and if the car runs better you pay me for Diag and repair, if it doesn't you take ti back for free."
When I replaced those Brand new Splitfires with new regular plugs the car almost always ran better, there were some times when the car had other issues and plugs new or old weren't going to fix the problems.
So lets wait and see.
Schultz
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08-26-2008, 02:00 PM
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I emailed the guy a month ago, 2 days after he wrote post #14 offering to test the plugs in my elantra. I did not even get a reply.
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08-26-2008, 02:16 PM
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maybe me too?
I haven't read this thread in a while.
I had resigned myself to the belief that the plugs won't work, or at best work marginally.
For $100 a set I am not going to try them. But, if this guy is for real, and willing to let me test them for free, I would buy them for all my cars. Provided the testing proves they are worth the money. But as you read I have an older Geo and tank 2 tank is my best offer of reasonable testing.
I gave you my take on the Splitfire Plugs
The latest and greatest of the last decade.
IMHO Splitfires were a bunch of hooey and I sent many a customer back to Auto Zone (or wherever) to get their money back.
I always gave these people enough documentation to avoid unnecessary calls and harassment from the retailers.
Diagnostic equipment with a printer is a great tool for any shop to have.
I will wait and see,
Schultz
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