The downside of heavy, overpowered trucks and SUVs

[oil pan 4]

Lighter and more aerodynamic, with no range anxiety?
Std hybrid.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Lighter and more aerodynamic, with no range anxiety?
Std hybrid.

I am so over hybrids now at this point. Sure, they get better fuel mileage, but they still run on gas. They're just a ticking time bomb that is more complicated to work on.

And with cars being used for longer these days, I don't see the point "oh, after 10 years when the battery decides to selfdestruct you'll have a newer car." Oh yeah, well tell that to my 10 year old Avalon hybrid with the battery on it's last leg and no car like it within the USA at a price that I can afford.

At least a plug-in hybrid allows you to use electricity to drive around for a limited distance if you so desire.

[freebeard]

Using our plants resources to make huge battery powered vehicles...

Planets?

The guy's got a potty mouth, and seems to identify with Darth Vader? He right about tires, though

https://www.theatlantic.com › science › archive › 2020 › 11 › car-tires-pollution-microplastic › 617216
Car Tires Are a Major Pollution Problem - The Atlantic
A 2017 scientific-literature search of 13 industrialized and industrializing countries found that an average car loses between half a pound and more than four pounds of tire fragments annually. In ...

Burnouts and drift racing are bad for our health, for the planet it's just food.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I am so over hybrids now at this point. Sure, they get better fuel mileage, but they still run on gas. They're just a ticking time bomb that is more complicated to work on.

A 200,000+ mile time bomb. EVs don't solve that problem, because the weak point is the battery.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

A 200,000+ mile time bomb. EVs don't solve that problem, because the weak point is the battery.

I know this from experience after owning a 2013 Nissan Leaf.

At least an EV lets you charge from electricity. Everyone's needs are different.

Personally I wish I never had gotten rid of that 1985 VW Golf diesel with 700,000 miles on it. It ran, was easy to work on and the radio actually worked. Of course nostalgia can cloud one's judgement. I do remember the CV joints and door handles failing regularly. I do believe, though, that was because of the lack of quality of aftermarket parts.

No car is perfect. The bar I hold cars to is they need to transport what I need to transport. So at least 4 seatbelts and I can add a tow hitch for the rest. And the car needs to be under 20% average of my average income at most. Altogether and so far, for the past 5 years the Avalon has been about 17.2% of my income, including fuel, tires, etc.

But now that it's paid off maybe I can alot more money to fixing or replacing stuff like the radio (again) and HV battery. Right now I got swaybar bushings and links I need to put on it. But I need to subscribe to Toyota's repair info service to get the torque specs ($25 for two days). I'll probably have the dealer do the radio because at best it's a $70 subcription for every 2 days plus a $500 Mongoose OBDII tool just to have the tools to do it.

https://techinfo.snapon.com/TIS/Register.aspx

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I am so over hybrids now at this point. Sure, they get better fuel mileage, but they still run on gas. They're just a ticking time bomb that is more complicated to work on.

And with cars being used for longer these days, I don't see the point "oh, after 10 years when the battery decides to selfdestruct you'll have a newer car." Oh yeah, well tell that to my 10 year old Avalon hybrid with the battery on it's last leg and no car like it within the USA at a price that I can afford.

At least a plug-in hybrid allows you to use electricity to drive around for a limited distance if you so desire.

It’s unfortunate mechanisms to enable any hybrid to run battery free don’t exist

I would think a 12v starter and some ecm programming would be all you need.
2009 and down Prius can run with a failed battery anywhere but only if they can get started into limp mode.

My 1999 Insight hasn’t had a working big battery in a decade, that is how every hybrid should be.

[freebeard]

The weak point is the solar panels. Aptera, Xbus and a few others lead the way.

Any color you want as long as it's black? Pshaw.

https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-...electrode.html

The multi-layer transparent thin film electrode based on a single material does not require additional processing. It is expected that various colors and high efficiency of thin film solar cells can be realized at a low cost. In addition, since the reflective color is implemented as an optical filter, it can be applied to various fields such as image sensors, photolithography masks, and infrared shielding.

Dr. Jung-dae Kwon, a principal researcher, said, "When commercialized, this technology will help to develop simple and process-free light filter technology and high-efficiency colored flexible substrate transparent thin-film solar cells, as well as to realize BIPV systems for modern buildings and VIPV systems for vehicles with aesthetic features."

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Personally I wish I never had gotten rid of that 1985 VW Golf diesel with 700,000 miles on it.

Sometimes I reminisce about the 1979 Dasher diesel. It was happiest on the freeway, the Metro is not.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

It’s unfortunate mechanisms to enable any hybrid to run battery free don’t exist

I would think a 12v starter and some ecm programming would be all you need.
2009 and down Prius can run with a failed battery anywhere but only if they can get started into limp mode.

My 1999 Insight hasn’t had a working big battery in a decade, that is how every hybrid should be.

Well, if they did that, Toyota would lose that $6,000 battery replacement that I'm about ready to need.

There's a lot of things I dislike about Tesla, but at least there's reason to believe that you could potentially keep using the original battery long past 200k miles or 15 years, and not 150,000 miles and 10 years.

[rmay635703]

https://priuschat.com/threads/2008-p.../#post-3375519

New OEM Prius batteries should be under $2500 after you give back the core.

will need to lug it out yourself

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Well, if they did that, Toyota would lose that $6,000 battery replacement that I'm about ready to need.

There's a lot of things I dislike about Tesla, but at least there's reason to believe that you could potentially keep using the original battery long past 200k miles or 15 years, and not 150,000 miles and 10 years.

A. 10 years / 150K miles is the warranty period for a Toyota hybrid battery NOT the useful life.

B. A genuine OEM Toyota battery for your Avalon is a bit less than $2,800. Add 2 hours of labor for this plug and play battery and you are at $3,000. Anyone trying to charge you another $3,000 in labor to swap a HV battery is trying to fleece you.