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Old 12-03-2010, 09:41 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Guess what? If too much ice melts in Greenland, and the fresh water lowers the salinity of the surrounding ocean -- the Gulf Stream current could stop! It is already much slower and weaker than usual -- and guess what the Gulf Stream current does?

It keeps the UK much warmer than it should otherwise be! Look at Google Earth and line up the latitude lines of the UK with other countries...

Guess what happens when the Gulf Stream stops flowing (among many nasty results)?

The UK will go into an ice age. So, you are seeing the very real results of Global Climate Change.
Sorry but this is bollocks. Fear promotors can't have it both ways.

On the one hand we are being told that snow is a thing of the past (I'm still looking at 3-4 feet outside) and this winter was predicted as mild. This prediction was based on the same software and models that meteorologists use to construct their predictions, such as the gulf stream change you mention.

And if this is a measurable cause and effect then why during previous Greenland thaws did the UK also experience a warm period - surely if the gulf stream was affected so badly then the UK would have frozen.

Its kind of like heads I'm wrong, tails you're right.

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Old 12-03-2010, 09:47 AM   #132 (permalink)
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What are the money interests against us accepting that global climate change is real? Who is making enormous profits right now?
Is this the start of the Big Oil argument ? The same big oil that has just paid for the "Global Warming", oops can't call it that after the survey result went the wrong way, the "Climate Change" gallery opened by HRH Price Charles this very morning ?

The people who seem to be 'in the money' at the moment seem to be the scientists and institutions who have an interest in studying this stuff.
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The Gulf Stream warms the UK, that is a fact. What powers the Gulf Stream?

Thermohaline circulation.

It is not having it both ways -- it is global climate change. More heat energy doesn't mean that it gets warmer everywhere. It means that there are changes and changes mean some places get hotter and other cooler, and there is more rain, but there is more drought, too. It is a great big very complex system, and we cannot know all the results.

Use your own best judgment on what the oil companies are doing to protect their money maker.

You seem to have skipped the glacier melting video.
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You seem to have skipped the glacier melting video.
I asked the question about Greenland on the basis of it.

Glaciers retreat and advance. They have before and will do again. Just like temperature goes up and down over time. The UK has had lower temperatures before - 1947 and 1963 were as bad as today, maybe even worse. The winters in Europe during WW2 were especially severe.

The Hockey Stick, which depicts a stable temp with a rapid warming in the 2nd half of the 20th century, was kind of made up - its a reconstruction. And a statistically questionable one at best.

The fact that we do know is that the world will not remain at a constant temperature. It has varied prior to any effect we could have had, and it balanced back before swinging the other way over time. Quite a lot of history, empires waxing and waning, disasters such as famine, and population growth map quite well to temperature rising and falling all the time. In fact a rising temperature was usually celebrated as being a good thing.

Please also see the article I linked to on hurricane deaths.

There are levels of skepticism, I'm on the 'nothing has been proven to be anything other than normal given previous history' side, with Lindzen.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:51 AM   #135 (permalink)
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Though their graph is missing half a year, it's clear the summer dip is gradually reducing again after its contemporary low of 2007.

You're right that we are in a warmer era of Earth's existence, we're even seeing a warmer period within that warm era.
And we're obviously seeing the equally obvious effects of it.

But after the warmth comes the cold.
Ask the Vikings of Greenland.

BTW : Greenland's icecap didn't melt completely when it was even hotter in the past.
 
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The minimum point occurred 10 days later than it used to, and the refreezing is lagging behind even the 2007 levels, so far.

The northwest and northeast passages were open for the first time in recorded history.

All of this was predicted a while ago, and now it is happening much more quickly than last predicted. So, not only is global climate change happening, but it is happening more quickly than the worst case scenarios had laid out.
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What are the money interests against us accepting that global climate change is real? Who is making enormous profits right now?
Ah, so that's what is REALLY bothering you, isn't it? We are finally seeing a glimpse of the real motive behind the global warming hoax. As usual, it's promoted by the radical Left with it's relentless anti-capitalist ideology. Most people won't support that agenda if it is stated or revealed. Accordingly they cloak it in an emotionally driven fear campaign. This is to bamboozle useful idiots into believing that the sky will soon fall if they don't support a cause that ultimately seeks legislative restrictions and prohibitions.
 
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If those who are questioning the validity of global climate change are impugning the motives of the scientists who are working on this, as only seeking future scientific grants and/or profiteering in some possible carbon market -- then it seems quite reasonable to also examine the motives of those who are working to spread FUD about the science that is behind this critical problem.

The record of the oil companies of doing "the right thing" is pitiful, at best. Why do they deserve any leeway at all, when all they have done is profit from an amazing resource, while reeking damage and corruption in their wake?

On balance, the very real profiteering by the oil companies is here and now, and they have every motive to sew your mind with fear and doubt.

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Why do they deserve any leeway at all, when all they have done is profit from an amazing resource, while reeking damage and corruption in their wake?
Oh, those evil oil companies. They make a profit. That's what the Left wants to outlaw. "A thing like that shouldn't be allowed." Ain't it awful, ain't it awful, ain't it awful...

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They are not writing or promoting books like "Eaarth". It is the political Left that relies on such pathetic strategies as sowing fear.

You might want to consult a dictionary for the distinction between "sew" and "sow".

 
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