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Old 06-07-2014, 05:59 PM   #531 (permalink)
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Okay, this is my "report".

The engine, transmission - the full drivetrain are being designed and built by IAV:

Engine Q&A with IAV – 2-21-14 | Elio Motors

They will have the first drivetrain soon (within a few months?) and it will likely be installed in a P5 (prototype #5) unit. This orange car is a P4. The P5 will have ~1.5" more headroom in the back seat.

I sat in the backseat - it is lacking a bit of headroom (I'm 6'-4") and the seat cushion was very firm, and not angled enough to support my legs. I did fit, though. The front has more than enough legroom - I would *not* push the seat all the way back, or else I could not reach the pedals.

They have nearly 20,000 deposits now. Deposits can be $100, $250, $500, or $1,000 - and they can be refundable or non-refundable - your choice. If you choose non-refundable, they match 50% of it against your purchase price.

They will be doing a direct sales model - a lot like Tesla, with retail stores in malls, etc. Service will be handled through Pep Boys: Elio Motors: Ultra High Mileage Vehicle (click on Service and Maintenance)

The base model will be a 5-speed manual with a normally aspirated engine, stereo, A/C, 3 air bags, etc. and they are ~80% done with pricing the parts. They will likely make the target $6,800 price, or it may rise $100-150. Automatic transmission will cost more. There will be a turbo option.

One person mentioned the Cd was 0.24, and if they didn't count the under slung exhaust (or maybe they did include it?), then that is plausible. The main part of the chassis is very good, and only the suspension struts and driveshaft and the wheel fairings are less great. I'll guess the outboard front wheels are at least half the overall drag? They also mentioned the possibility of side video mirrors.

Oh, the right side window opens even though there is no door.

It looked lower and better in person. The wedge on the front above the grill looks less pronounced than I thought it would, and that is a good thing, in my book. The exhaust will exit much farther back. The rear suspension is very beefy looking - single sided swing arm is on the right side (see pictures).

There were at least 8 people there who had put down deposits. There was a lot of buzz and people were almost always positive. The only negative comments I heard was about the small storage space; if there is a second person in the rear seat.



Metro engine:


Rear suspension:






Inside:


The underslung exhaust:




They are looking to possibly deliver cars in about a year and a half. Another interesting tidbit is that at least one person working for Elio there have bought stock in the company. This is good to hear, as it may mean they will work all the harder to build and sell cars.

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Old 06-07-2014, 06:09 PM   #532 (permalink)
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Wow! Nice report.
A lot more info than I expected you to get from them.
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Not bad for $3500 bucks !

Putting down a $3500 non refundable deposit and they will pay the balance more or less on its delivery day.

( EDIT: NEIL points out the max down payment is actually $1000 )
i don't want to mislead anyone who misses neilblanchards next post..
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Is the thing going to be able to go over a speed bump or up a curb cut without bottoming out? There doesn't seem to be much ground clearance.

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some air springs/shocks would be a pretty neat thing to impliment.... would add to the cost a bit though, especially if they were to automagically raise and lower based on vehicle speed.
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Ah, you reminded me of another point - the P4 has 15" wheels, and the P5 will possibly have 16" to gain some more ground clearance. The suspension looks tunable as well - the front has rods that lift a lever under the shock spring unit (it is progressive, I think?) and the rod can be shortened to pull the upper 'A' arm down.

I think the biggest deposit they are accepting is $1,000, so if you choose non-refundable, you'd get $1,500 credit on the purchase.
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I think the biggest deposit they are accepting is $1,000, so if you choose non-refundable, you'd get $1,500 credit on the purchase.
What? I cannot deposit $6,800 and receive $3,400 cash back upon delivery?

Thank you so much for all of the information and photographs! I hope that you receive dozens of /thanks!

I also hope that they streamline the wheel supports. What do you call those? The cross bars on roof racks are often shaped like an air foil. Why not those?
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Car of the Future? - CNBC
Check the link, "production should start in June 2014."

Well Folks, it's June 2014. That was 18 months away when predicted in January of 2013. Now it's still 18 months away.

Will it be 18 months away in December of 2015?

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I also hope that they streamline the wheel supports. What do you call those? The cross bars on roof racks are often shaped like an air foil. Why not those?
I agree, and I told one person there and showed them on the car. The double 'A' arms can be airfoils (they are now flat rectangles in section) and the drive shafts could have a trailing wedge fixed behind them forming an airfoil, and the rod that pulls up on the bottom of the shock spring unit could also be airfoil shaped.

I explained to them that a round object has 10X the drag as the same sized airfoil shape. And a spinning round shape like the driveshaft is even worse. If they did these changes, the drag on the car would drop significantly.

Here I am taking some of the pictures:
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Logo coincidence?

Does the green and white E portion of Elio's logo not mimic the green and white E/open end wrench of EcoModder.com's logo?

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