Finally replaced our 2004 Prius with a 2013 Volt

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Most likely those strict EV fanboys hate plug-in hybrids more than ICE users.

That's been my impression, but then again I hang out in an EV forum where the EV religion congregates. Buying a 9,000 pound, 200 kWh Hummer EV is fine because it doesn't directly consume fossil fuels after an immense amount of resources were consumed to construct it, but get that pagan Prius Prime outta here.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

See? Many of the most hardcore EV embracers are looking for self-indulgence more than anything else. Considering a PHEV would have its batteries charged either from the ICE or plugging in, may still make sense even for somebody who has a more difficult access to a recharging outlet, but is still looking for ways to save on gas.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

That's been my impression, but then again I hang out in an EV forum where the EV religion congregates. Buying a 9,000 pound, 200 kWh Hummer EV is fine because it doesn't directly consume fossil fuels after an immense amount of resources were consumed to construct it, but get that pagan Prius Prime outta here.

That is unfortunately the stupid we deal with

Reducing energy use and material use is the most critical step.

Most everyone should be walking, biking or riding a super efficient underbone motorcycle (200mpg) of some sort most of the time, like in a hyper efficient zero input home and grow a garden

But unless society collapses people will continue to daily drive their 40’ RV.

[freebeard]

Most everyone should be walking, biking or riding a super efficient underbone motorcycle (200mpg) of some sort most of the time, like in a hyper efficient zero input home and grow a garden

Is the Arcimoto FUV an underbone? It's plastic cladding on a sheet metal moncoque.

The most efficient geodesic dome [in plywood/2x4] is a 39-40ft hexa-pent buildt according to Fuller's pattent he put in the public domain in 1972.


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1972. Imagine things being different for 50 years. I did:

[freebeard]

That is unfortunately the stupid we deal with

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. ....and stupid. We should be scared sh*tless of stupid."

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

riding a super efficient underbone motorcycle (200mpg) of some sort most of the time

Not exactly "super efficient", but doesn't this beauty look great? Let's suppose retrofitting a modern scooter engine into a Lambretta was easier, it would be quite tempting...


But anyway, sometimes I lurk about tricycles, or motorcycles converted into tricycles, because it would be enough to provide space for some all-weather enclosure, and easier to haul the dog and some luggage for occasional trips. Not to mention tricycles being titled as motorcycles, so they're exempt from most of the "safety" regulations which are turning even a subcompact into a fat pig.

grow a garden

Whenever I get the chance to move from the apartment to a house, growing a garden and even raising some livestock (chickens and rabbits) for meat and eggs would be top-tier priorities for me.

[Daox]

How have you other Volt owners kept track of refueling? I could have zero or a couple dozen charges between getting gasoline. Is there a good (not super tedious) way?

I just took our first 'longish' trip of about 200 miles. I had about a half hour to recharge at one point, so I didn't get too much above the normal EV range. Here is the result. Not too bad. I'd say the Prius probably would have done about 50 mpg under the same driving.

[rmay635703]

Unlike the prime the volt does track electric and gas separately.

If you want accurate you also need tedious, if you donÂ’t care just keep external usuage of gas and electric versus overall miles.

Only way to track accurately is to keep track of gas and electric miles / use separately for each “full charge” off the center screen (aka before every time it’s gonna reset) then compare to actuals off the wall and pump.

What I found was that my volt in mild weather (not warm, nor cold) was that a empty to full charge used 12kwhr off the wall(keep track and you can match up to the dash)
Hot or cold used more than that.

Your Volt is most efficient if you
1. Do few partial to full charges (empty to full is most efficient)
2. finish charging just before you leave (especially in very hot/cold weather)

For the first years I tracked everything on a little notepad I kept on top of the dash.

My goal was always summer range 70 miles EV and 42mpg plus.
Did it for years until I got the battery update.

[Daox]

70 miles on EV, thats quite impressive!

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Daox

70 miles on EV, thats quite impressive!

I mapped a fully non-highway route that had few stops so I could turtle in EV the whole way, 60psi in the half bald OEM energy saver’s probably helped.

Extra ordinary driving conditions.