Finally, TV ads for Chevy Silverado EV

[aerohead]

As Ford retreats into 'hybrids', GM's Chevrolet Division has finally 'gone public' with their full-size electric pickup competitor.
The ad promises range up to 440-miles. I presume that, that means EPA Combined, which would include regenerative braking in the mix.
I may go by the local dealer for a look see.
GM's also 'pushing' their GMC HUMMER EV on television. Cd 0.50 and the frontal area of a 'tiny home' puts me off, so they can keep those for someone else.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Under Mary Barra, who graduated as an electrical engineer, it's quite predictable GM would still go the wrong way on such a hard push toward BEVs as the one-size-fits-all. Hybrids are more reasonable for the average Joe, while BEVs are still pretty much limited to very specific user profiles.

[Piotrsko]

Barra is dealing with the no new fueled California mandate for 2035, whether or not it gets implemented. Others might be willing to just walk away from that market because they don't sell enough to justify the change

[aerohead]

The local dealership had one in stock, outside in the heat. $96,000, with all the whistles & bells.
* 205-kWh pack [( 6.082-gallon-e (gasoline)], 5.111-gallon-e ( Diesel )
* If this is the '440-mile range, EPA COMBINED, that gives an indicated 465.9-Wh/mi, @ 72.342 mpg-e.
* If regen constitutes 20% of the range, as in the BOLT, then, we're looking at 352-miles range @ constant-velocity, and 582.3-Wh/mi, @ 57.873 mpg-e.
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They rate the Silverado @ Cd 0.33, which seems reasonable, considering all the visible 'tweaks' to the body, especially the underbody.
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Some local pickup owners are already spending $87,000 on 'King Ranch' F-150s. An extra $9000 probably wouldn't ruffle them.

[Piotrsko]

Back to my statement: what are the monthly payments? 9 large isn't that much more expensive spread over what 96 months anymore? I dunno about financing a new car, haven't done it in a long while and the dealers dont print the final price in the ads

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Back to my statement: what are the monthly payments? 9 large isn't that much more expensive spread over what 96 months anymore? I dunno about financing a new car, haven't done it in a long while and the dealers dont print the final price in the ads

I didn't ask. I'd pay cash if I were to purchase one. GMAC sodomized me once, they won't get a second opportunity. With 'George Soros' behind me now, credit is kind of a meaningless concept. ANY interest or finance charges are TOO much.

[Piotrsko]

My wife likes you and she hasn't even met you. TDI pruchase was hilarious, sales idiot kept saying "monthly payments of", and we kept saying "one big check". Finally got pissed off enough to ask for manager who gave me the same routine. Eventually the light came on when we got up to leave without the sale..

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Barra is dealing with the no new fueled California mandate for 2035, whether or not it gets implemented

Most likely it won't ever get implemented entirely. I hear this BS since '98 at least, and it had always proven undoable.

Others might be willing to just walk away from that market because they don't sell enough to justify the change

Some automakers which are either seen as too segmented or no longer taken seriously in the United States have a strong market share in other regions. I guess you already know about Fiat in Brazil for instance, and how some Dodge and Ram models for Latin America were actually rebadged Fiats from Brazil and Turkey. Not to mention how Jeep became a valuable asset for Stellantis outside the United States.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Barra is dealing with the no new fueled California mandate for 2035, whether or not it gets implemented. Others might be willing to just walk away from that market because they don't sell enough to justify the change

Yes, GM is looking at the CARB ZEV mandate that steadily increases the required number of ZEVs until it hits 100% in 2035. This is formally called Advanced Clean Cars II.



However:
1. That is a ZEV mandate NOT an battery electric mandate. PHEVs with an electric range over 50 miles are ZEVs. Ram's 2025 Ramcharger serial hybrid seems specifically targeted at CARB's requirements.

2. CARB is WAY bigger than California. 14 states currently use CARB emission standards and 35% of new vehicles sales are in those states. 4 more states will adopt CARB regulations between now and 2026 (Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, and Virgina). That will take CARB market share of new cars sales to 40%. (Those 4 states decided to adopt CARB emission standards after Trump decided to roll back CAFE standards). That is for emissions.

3. 13 states have formally adopted Advanced Clean Cars II to have 100% ZEV sales by 2035.

No automaker is going to abandon 30 - 40% of the US new car market but some might decided to just buy credits or pay the $5,000 fine for every ZEV they miss the target.

More on Advanced Clean Cars II here:
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/prog...-clean-cars-ii

The above also doesn't take into account ZEV credits. Automakers are sitting on a pile of credits earned by hitting targets early and from the old ZEV program. That means the actually percentage of ZEV sales per year will be lower and adoption of ZEVs slower than the headline numbers.

Different automakers are in different places with credits. People look at Toyota's lack of EV sales and make assumptions. The reality is they have a huge number of ZEV credits and simply do not have to sell EVs so they don't. They will likely wait until later in the decade when prices for EV tech comes down to start selling EVs in any volume. Until then they can easily hit CAFE with hybrids and ZEV with credits.

ZEV Credits:

[redpoint5]

None of that explains selling EVs now when you don't have to. I expect them to lose money like all the non-Teslas. The mandate will turn into a suggestion before 2035.