02-21-2019, 03:55 PM
|
#111 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,209
Thanks: 225
Thanked 811 Times in 594 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead
So there's zero future for renewables in your state?
|
Oh, I wouldn't say that. The geothermal plant up the road has been running for decades, the're a lot of hydro & wind on the grid from the Columbia River (among other places), quite a bit of residential wind & solar. But my point is "bang for the buck": if I spent $20-40K on an EV, I wouldn't have that money to e.g. install PV solar or solar heating, which would have much more effect than the marginal savings (per mile $ or CO2) of the EV.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to jamesqf For This Useful Post:
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
02-21-2019, 05:29 PM
|
#112 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4
What did they think the nuclear fiery was going to come by wave a magic wand and make it go away?
|
I suspect the public expects the company that owned, operated and made money from the plant would also pay to clean up the plant.
The public didn't shut down Vermont Yankee, the owners did. They had 18 more years on their operational permit when it closed.
The same thing happens all over the place. A company extracts the profit from a resource for decades: mine, power plant, factory, etc and then leaves the cleanup to the public.
Last edited by JSH; 02-23-2019 at 04:12 PM..
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to JSH For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-23-2019, 03:12 PM
|
#113 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,318
Thanks: 24,442
Thanked 7,386 Times in 4,783 Posts
|
install
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesqf
Oh, I wouldn't say that. The geothermal plant up the road has been running for decades, the're a lot of hydro & wind on the grid from the Columbia River (among other places), quite a bit of residential wind & solar. But my point is "bang for the buck": if I spent $20-40K on an EV, I wouldn't have that money to e.g. install PV solar or solar heating, which would have much more effect than the marginal savings (per mile $ or CO2) of the EV.
|
My electric coop offers both a solar and wind options.
The solar plan is offered in 200-kWh blocks, which exceeds my monthly use,so I went with the wind option,at a penny more per kWh (13-cents),which has no minimums.
After DARKO,next year,I'll be able to see where I'm at,with respect to a used entry level EV. 20-miles range is more than I need,and with the house already (theoretically) carbon free,the car will also be.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to aerohead For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-23-2019, 04:10 PM
|
#114 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead
My electric coop offers both a solar and wind options.
The solar plan is offered in 200-kWh blocks, which exceeds my monthly use,so I went with the wind option,at a penny more per kWh (13-cents),which has no minimums.
After DARKO,next year,I'll be able to see where I'm at,with respect to a used entry level EV. 20-miles range is more than I need,and with the house already (theoretically) carbon free,the car will also be.
|
Why do you choose to pay more for your electricity? Volunteering to pay more does not change the Co-Op's generation sources.
|
|
|
02-23-2019, 06:42 PM
|
#115 (permalink)
|
lurker's apprentice
Join Date: May 2008
Location: the Perimeter
Posts: 942
PlainJane - '12 Toyota Tacoma Base 4WD Access Cab 90 day: 20.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 504
Thanked 226 Times in 173 Posts
|
But gee, how about that F150!
|
|
|
02-24-2019, 12:23 AM
|
#116 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdb
But gee, how about that F150!
|
The Ford F150 of undetermined spec that will be produce at an undetermined time in the future?
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to JSH For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-24-2019, 02:05 PM
|
#117 (permalink)
|
lurker's apprentice
Join Date: May 2008
Location: the Perimeter
Posts: 942
PlainJane - '12 Toyota Tacoma Base 4WD Access Cab 90 day: 20.98 mpg (US)
Thanks: 504
Thanked 226 Times in 173 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSH
The Ford F150 of undetermined spec that will be produce at an undetermined time in the future?
|
Might just be me but it beats whinging about the cost of electricity in a thread with this title.
|
|
|
02-24-2019, 03:06 PM
|
#118 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdb
Might just be me but it beats whinging about the cost of electricity in a thread with this title.
|
OK, the ball is in your court. What do you want to say about Ford's EV F150.
|
|
|
02-25-2019, 11:27 AM
|
#119 (permalink)
|
Somewhat crazed
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: 1826 miles WSW of Normal
Posts: 4,431
Thanks: 541
Thanked 1,208 Times in 1,065 Posts
|
How about: it is proposed to cost more than my first house which had a 30 year VA loan?
__________________
casual notes from the underground:There are some "experts" out there that in reality don't have a clue as to what they are doing.
|
|
|
02-25-2019, 12:26 PM
|
#120 (permalink)
|
Thalmaturge
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The edge of nowhere
Posts: 1,167
Thanks: 769
Thanked 645 Times in 431 Posts
|
How about: from a manufacturer that has brought us only compliance EVs so far, what are the chances they plan to make more than ~1500 of these a year?
Seriously, they have never done a ground up EV at all, only PHEVs and what are essentially conversions. What are the chances that they're bringing any real core competence to the F-150 EV?
|
|
|
|