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Old 04-26-2018, 09:47 AM   #11 (permalink)
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With the Focus Active being a Crossover, the Mustang will literally be their only "car". Do crossovers count as cars or trucks toward fuel economy standards?

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Old 04-26-2018, 11:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well to be honest nobody buys Ford's sedans anyways and they are in a money crunch. Just looking around my company parking lot its about 80% trucks and SUVs and what isnt is an Acura a focus hyundai etc...
the Fusion and Taurus suck and the interiors suck as well. I'd much rather buy a japanese car and have a domestic SUV if I were buying.
People would rather complain about gas prices than actually buy a hybrid or small sedan is what it seems like.
I even talk to girls and their response to what vehicle they want goes something like this: well im going to get a crossover because its easier to get out of and its bigger. Like oh okay... ��
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With the Focus Active being a Crossover, the Mustang will literally be their only "car". Do crossovers count as cars or trucks toward fuel economy standards?
"The Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards set for model years (MY) 2011 through 2016 include small, 2-wheel drive sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with cars instead of light trucks. Until this regulation, all SUVs were categorized as light trucks, along with pickups and vans."

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Yep, I found out yesterday. Absolutely disgusting. All that effort to reduce drag goes in the trash if you increase the frontal area of your vehicles by 20%. Consumers just HAVE TO HAVE that tall vehicle so they can "see over the other vehicles", even though all the other vehicles are now tall so no one can see anything.

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That and suicidal utility vehicles and crossunders....

My V6 accord is rated for 27 MPG highway, now I have done some modding to it to get better mileage, but it was still rated for 27 highway. My mom's Mazda CX-5 CROSSUNDER with the 2.5 auto was rated for 32 highway. That is a significant increase, on paper anyway. I have taken the CX-5 on my highway commute, and I could only get 43 MPG. 44-45 MPG is pretty regular for my V6 accord on the same trip. The CX-5 can get incredible mileage around town, and under 50 mph, but it suffers on the highway because its just so big.


I'm really surprised they are killing the fusion though, I would have thought that one would stick around for sure. I don't see many focuses around, fiestas yes, but not focuses. Not sure why they decided to keep that one.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Add me to the list of boosers.

That being said, I really like my Mirage, and it is kind of a micro SUV... Definitely could be shorter and more aerodynamic.
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Seems like this decision is coming just in time for rising gas prices. Sortof like GM and the last recession / gas spike.

On the other hand, Ford would not be anywhere near the top of my list for sedans anyway, so I can see some sense in it.
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I don't believe sedans would be really missed by the mainstream car buyer, but anyway I must confess I'm quite surprised by that move. Well, let's see if Ford would ultimately bring the Focus SW back to America even if it's in a fake off-road trim...
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I think the real problem is it doesn't cost that much less to build a small sedan as it costs to build a small crossover. Consumers balk at a $25,000 price tag on a small sedan but pay it on a small crossover. So every small sedan is basically a loss and the old "get them on the lot to upsell the customer" probably doesn't work as well today. So the Mustang is good because it also sells for around $25000 in basic form while costing the same as a Focus to make. Basically the question isn't for Ford as much as it is for the consumer, would you pay $22,000 for a basic Focus?
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Old 04-26-2018, 02:40 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I'd take a sedan or hatchback any day over any kind of crossover. But then again I'm a fuel efficiency nerd.

Not that I cared much about Ford products anyway.

I still see a lot of sedans on the road today; doesn't make sense why they would drop them. I mean, you can only have so many SUVs...people still buy cars.
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meh.



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