The guys over at eco-modder are crazy

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by redyaris

This is a high performance site, the standard by which it is messured is mpg... Not HP or seconds or mph. mpg is the more difficult standard the meet, You can't just buy it and bolt it on, you have to design it and build it your self

It's fantastic that a few people are coming around to that view - that high performance doesn't only mean POWAH!

I read the sentiment somewhere else recently - don't remember where (not here, but on more of a "traditional" performance site).

[brucey]

We need something to counter this picture.

Like, doc brown jumping out of his insight (complete with mr fusion for fun), grabbing his scan gauge and screaming "88 miles per gallon!! What did I tell you!"

And yeah, most people just aren't interested in economy. Most people I know are amazed that their mid sized sedan can get 25 mpg.

[KITT222]

Ohhh Clarkson... I actually did his POWER scream in my head when my tail swung out in a corner today, and I hit the gas, and turned the wheel lightly to the left (in my 130hp, FWD hatchback, no less). I felt so awesome drifting around that corner and ending up in my lane perfectly after wards.

If you want that, than you'll need to rev up Photoshop! I'll attempt it, but with my paint.net photo editing software, I really am not as able as if I had the glory of Photoshop.

[Formula413]

Originally Posted by redyaris

This is a high performance site, the standard by which it is messured is mpg... Not HP or seconds or mph.

+1, high MPG is definitely a form of high performance. As a car guy I love having two high performance cars, of two completely different standards of high performance.

[d0sitmatr]

we're not always lauded as innovative crazy cool idea peoples.
the amount of animosity Ive gotten at the ranger forums could be cut with a knife.

but at some point in time (hopefully soon) more people are going to have to get involved with increasing the FE of their vehicles and demanding car manufacturers offer better solutions than what we have now.

[gone-ot]

...I relish the thought: "...passing everything in sight--including--gas-stations!"

[NHRABill]

I see many people get it and some don't. After fully reading this thread I see and have experienced a bias from both High performance and Eco people. Going fast and high performance were always something that I loved to do for many years but I did it on the cheap and netted better perfomance than many who just opened their wallets wide.

Then I started comming here a place where I thought I could learn something and maybe improve my current vehicles efficiencey on the cheap. I have taken flak from members here and members on the High performance side I even was blasted on a full size GM truck site when inquiring about good road manner tires for my truck.

The online attitude that MANY people have just sucks. Ecomodding sites started because they had no place to go in other forums but a few people here do the same as the people they ran from.

So where do I go? do I continually get blasted for driving a big truck 6,000 miles a year by a hypermiller that drives 40,000 miles? I didn't even post my latest car purchase last Friday because I know it would get criticized.

Well I needed to rant after reading this i do appreciate the many great tips and helpfull members on this site that is why I stick around. I want to do my own EV project one day soon when life frees up the time and I continue to make small changes in my life to be more efficient. Working together with others will show much better results than drawing a line. Ask anyone on that LS1 forum if they want to learn how to make 500hp and get 30mpg they will line up for the opportunity.

[ShadeTreeMech]

Originally Posted by redyaris

This is a high performance site, the standard by which it is messured is mpg... Not HP or seconds or mph. mpg is the more difficult standard to meet, You can't just buy it and bolt it on, you have to design it and build it your self with a bit of help form your friends at EM. I used to think that expensive sports cars where example of great design but now I think they are what you get if money spent is not considered, now my attitude is show me what you can do for $15000 and make it get 50mpg doing it. Now that would be an accumplishement!

a homemade $15000 high MPG car would be AWESOME!

[ShadeTreeMech]

Originally Posted by NHRABill

So where do I go? do I continually get blasted for driving a big truck 6,000 miles a year by a hypermiller that drives 40,000 miles? I didn't even post my latest car purchase last Friday because I know it would get criticized.

I've often considered getting a newer more fuel efficient van; newer minivans trump my 21 mpg rather easily. Thing about it is, I already own it, if I get rid of it, it would be on the short list to be scrapped, and I would lose the chance to make it a fuel miser that it simply isn't right now. That, and it is a good vehicle, has been very dependable since I put in a newer motor, and I enjoy driving it. So I'll keep it.

I think many people see the SUV as the pinnacle of wastefulness and anyone with one as non Earth friendly. Maybe that is the reaction you're seeing.

Something else that occurs to me is maybe you also enjoy your particular vehicle despite its thirst. I have a 98 Max that I couldn't imagin not having. It has a GREAT midrange rumble during acceleration, is sublimely comfortable, and handles the twisties like no one's business. But for a mid sized sedan that we put over 20K miles on in less than a year (mainly because we LOVE driving it) it could get much better fuel economy.

But what is the point of getting great fuel economy if you dislike the vehicle? I have spent thousands of miles driving this car, and enjoyed most of them. How can that be wrong?

[vacationtime247]

A cammed & supercharged 5.3 should do the trick ; ) Weight and drag play a role too to reach 30 mpg. Perhaps a set of heads (Vortec) might increase mpg and horsepower in that 95 Chevy truck?
VT247

Originally Posted by NHRABill

Ask anyone on that LS1 forum if they want to learn how to make 500hp and get 30mpg they will line up for the opportunity.